Between Heaven and Earth

[Cheksa]

Hi,

I'm currently playing a game with China and I have a couple of questions.

1) How do I improve my military standing? I read that you need to reach at least 25 in military to obtain the "civilized" status. I'm stuck at 12 right now :/

2) Quite often some of my troops rebel and defect. Is it because I station them in a different province that where they're from?


Thanks for any eventual help
I managed to repulse the Brit' during the opium war, and I'd really like to get the civilized status to go after them now

PS: I play ricky vanilla

 

[Orm]

Hi,

I'm currently playing a game with China and I have a couple of questions.

1) How do I improve my military standing? I read that you need to reach at least 25 in military to obtain the "civilized" status. I'm stuck at 12 right now :/

2) Quite often some of my troops rebel and defect. Is it because I station them in a different province that where they're from?


Thanks for any eventual help
I managed to repulse the Brit' during the opium war, and I'd really like to get the civilized status to go after them now

PS: I play ricky vanilla

1) Build native cavalry with brigades. It's the best "bang for the buck" when military score is concerned and manpower is not an issue, which of course it isn't with China.
2) It's because the native and irregular troops have a low reliability rating. If you can place them under a general with positive reliability rating, you'll remove most of the problem.

 

[Cheksa]

Thanks Beowulf, it's gonna be really helpful

 

[Eärendil]

IIRC each brigaded native cavalry is worth .1875 military points. So for 13 more points you need additional 70 units.

 

[Cheksa]

Wow 70 units, I'll have enough to conquer the world in the end. Is it because my units are only to a "colonial level" that I need to have that many to reach the civilized status?

 

[DarthJF]

Wow 70 units, I'll have enough to conquer the world in the end. Is it because my units are only to a "colonial level" that I need to have that many to reach the civilized status?

Yes. Native units have really bad stats compared to regular troops, so they give you less military score as well.

 

[Dyranum]

Instead of starting a new thread on a related issue, I'll just post here.

When I am China and try to invade a neighbour my divisions are randomly dissolved when they are in enemy territory, even if they are at full strength.
Why does this happen? I would appreciate it if I could get some help on this issue, it's preventing me from doing anything as China.

 

[Orm]

Instead of starting a new thread on a related issue, I'll just post here.

When I am China and try to invade a neighbour my divisions are randomly dissolved when they are in enemy territory, even if they are at full strength.
Why does this happen? I would appreciate it if I could get some help on this issue, it's preventing me from doing anything as China.

You may have high attrition rates. That's the only explanation I can think of to why they would dissolve.

 

[Dyranum]

You may have high attrition rates. That's the only explanation I can think of to why they would dissolve.

nah, not really high attrition, and they tend to be at about max strength.
Does invading tibet have anything to do with it?

 

[Orm]

nah, not really high attrition, and they tend to be at about max strength.
Does invading tibet have anything to do with it?

I don't think so.
How do you mean when you say they dissolve then? They just stand around and then suddenly disappear?

 

[Dyranum]

I don't think so.
How do you mean when you say they dissolve then? They just stand around and then suddenly disappear?

Nah, I just suddenly get the message that my division(s) in this and that location has been dissolved due to lack of supply (i.e. attrition kills them).
But they have only like...5% attrition or something like that at the time with max strength.

It did frustrate me not being able to win a war (against a country with a very small army when my army is, maybe 3-8 times larger) so I just gave up and quit that game.

 

[unmerged(16676)]

Tibet is all mountain terrain, very hard on low quality units.

China doesn't have the techs needed to avoid massive attrition outside its borders, so it is attrition killing your men.

Wait until you can build regulars before attacking Tibet.

 

[Dyranum]

Tibet is all mountain terrain, very hard on low quality units.

China doesn't have the techs needed to avoid massive attrition outside its borders, so it is attrition killing your men.

Wait until you can build regulars before attacking Tibet.

Oh, so I should just go and attack annam, korea or burma instead?

 

[Eärendil]

Nah, I just suddenly get the message that my division(s) in this and that location has been dissolved due to lack of supply (i.e. attrition kills them).
But they have only like...5% attrition or something like that at the time with max strength.

It did frustrate me not being able to win a war (against a country with a very small army when my army is, maybe 3-8 times larger) so I just gave up and quit that game.

It is probably because you lost or retreated from a battle when you have no controlled province to retreat to. You get that message when that happens.

 

[Cheksa]

I think Eärendil is right. I had the same issue in my game while trying to invade the British Empire in India (which was a bit ambitious anyway ^^).

 

[Dyranum]

It is probably because you lost or retreated from a battle when you have no controlled province to retreat to. You get that message when that happens.

I didn't lose a single battle versus tibet...

 

[Eärendil]

I didn't lose a single battle versus tibet...

Did you retreat from any battles?

 

[Orm]

There are only two ways you could be losing those divisions; in battle or through attrition. Full strength divisions do not simply disappear.

 

[Dyranum]

There are only two ways you could be losing those divisions; in battle or through attrition. Full strength divisions do not simply disappear.

Huh, in that case I guess it's some weird attrition, but still, I couldn't even occupy their provinces just because of that.

 

[unmerged(16676)]

Huh, in that case I guess it's some weird attrition, but still, I couldn't even occupy their provinces just because of that.

It is attrition.

You need the medicene tech to stand a chance.