better way to remove title?

[Vexurius]

my standard way to use claimants:
- invite claimant grant him a county in my de jure duchy
- press claim and afterwards start a plot to remove this title from the new duke,
but somtimes this option isn't avaible, why?

why to banish option isn't allways availiable after remove all the titles?
where is the money going when i execute this people cause there is no banish option?
why sometimes it isn't possible to press a claim from a courtier esecially if the claimant is a woman?

thx

 

[MK1980]

i think i can answer some of that, but not all.
not sure about the plot to revoke. maybe blocked if you have a non agression pact (marriage) or truce with the guy.
or maybe it's blocked if that's their only county (can't have landless kings/dukes) - in some situations the game prevents landless king/duke problem by automatically usurping a county in the de jure, but perhaps not in this case?

don't know the exact rules for banishment. from experience, the option is usually only available for landless courtiers, but there may be some other requirements i'm not aware of.

if you execute someone who owns money, their money passes to their heir. ie. child, parent, sibling, other family members. i think if they have no family at all (ie. characters spawned by events/decisions that have no family and never had kids) you should get the money.

there's an important distinction between "strong" and "weak" claims. strong claims can always be pressed. most succession laws give a strong claim to the first 3 characters in the line of succession. so you usually find them on some of the brothers and uncles of the current ruler of a title.

weak claims can only be pressed if the target is ruled by a regent (ie. ruler in hiding, incapable or child), a woman (unless title is absolute cognatic) or already disputed in an ongoing other war. women usually only inherit weak claims in most succession laws, so their claims can usually only be pressed against other women or child rulters under a regent.

 

[Vexurius]

can't have landless kings/dukes

thats a good point! i think this cause the problem.

weak claims can only be pressed if the target is ruled by a regent (ie. ruler in hiding, incapable or child), a woman (unless title is absolute cognatic) or already disputed in an ongoing other war. women usually only inherit weak claims in most succession laws, so their claims can usually only be pressed against other women or child rulters under a regent.

"In Hiding" - and weak claims, thx for this info
"or already disputed in an ongoing other war" - i think this was the case/problem

i think u helped me more then(as?) u expect(ed)!

thx

 

[Tryvenyal]

weak claims can only be pressed if the target is ruled by a regent (ie. ruler in hiding, incapable or child), a woman (unless title is absolute cognatic) or already disputed in an ongoing other war. women usually only inherit weak claims in most succession laws, so their claims can usually only be pressed against other women or child rulters under a regent.

Titles with "Agnatic" genderlaw can't have claims for a woman pressed, no matter if it´s strong or weak. A weak claim can " normally never*" be pressed against a male holder without regency.

* Might or might not be exceptions to this with the gender equality laws/heracies/doctrines/cultures that I´m unaware of. There has been several threads about missing stuff in the gender equality stuff since HF.

 

[MK1980]

regarding the main/title question:

don't know if there's a better way to revoke, but later in the game once i'm rich and rule a big realm, i usually don't bother handing out any of my demesne titles just to (ab)use a claimant.

instead, i simply build a new castle in an empty holding of some random vassal and give that castle to the claimant before the end of the claim war. and then i don't care about it any more. maybe the claimant can hold his new stuff as a king of a realm who only holds 1 castle in a backwater province of a different realm. or maybe the local vassal declares war on the king and takes away the barony. or the vassals of the new kingdom get rid of the puppet claimant and put someone else on the throne.
none of that really matters since it doesn't affect the new vassal contract that was established between my empire and the newly added kingdom. that's the reason why the claimant was used and if he can keep the title, so be it. if not, i don't care and will happily accept some other native puppet vassal king