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I suppose this only really works for Germany but, I've set all real life Germanic cultures (exept British but including Scandinavians) to thier acsepted culture so, for example, Switzerland stays predominently Swiss instead of turning into a random island of Northern Germans.
 

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How about this (hot)fix:
- Add a modifier to make north_german > south_german or north_italian south_italian assimilation extremely quick.

The differences between those cultures are still pretty evident today even with tv/phones/cars/internet etc. etc. so maybe a settlement policy (simmilar to a colonisation) national focus would be better for this, as the government would need to take an active role in that.
 

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Ah I thought I remembered reading this thread - I'm not sure how old qualifies as thread-necro, but I think a few months should be ok. So I'll add a comment below. Perhaps RRW or Safferli could correct me if I'm wrong.

...If we go back to the idea of defining cultures for provinces. This was considered during development. ... However, it was rejected on perfromance grounds ...

While I'm here I guess I wanted to add that I remember reading the Dev Diary on this. And by far it was the most exciting dev diary that I read in that whole series. I was so amped to see this feature in action, and quite sad to see that it didn't make the cut. King do you think it is something that you would be willing to consider in an expansion/later patch given that the relative speed improvements in 1.3 have allowed some more wiggle room for feature creep?
 

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The differences between those cultures are still pretty evident today even with tv/phones/cars/internet etc. etc. so maybe a settlement policy (simmilar to a colonisation) national focus would be better for this, as the government would need to take an active role in that.

Something like what Napoleon did when he standardized French across France, or Garibaldi's attempt to enforce the Tuscan dialect on all of Italy?
 

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I would like to see some changes. I had to modify my files so British and Anglo Canadian wasn't an accepted culture in Quebec, because I was overrun by British immigrants which caused immigrants to assimilate to British culture.

Some countries are by design doomed, it seems. The Cherokee and Metis nations have no Cherokee or Metis, even though there are populations of Cherokee and Metis in the surrounding areas. Israel has no primary culture. I think nations where a culture is the primary or accepted culture should have a bonus to immigration from those groups.
 

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Also; make primary culture pops internal-migrate to places where it doesn't exist (<4%), and accepted to move to places with 70% or more primary culture, allow slow assimilation from accepted to primary.
Non-accepted cultures should stay where they are, or perhaps move to industry-heavy centres? + america+++ ofc

Also have higher promotion to middle-class and upper-class for primary pops than other pops, next to none (except through assimilation) for non-accepted.
Some people are more alike than others you know :D

ihmo (and not checked if any of this is true already)
 

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I think this is an interesting idea, allowing for the high assimilation rates which are apparently required to keep performance up while simultaneously making immigration and assimilation in colonies much more believable. It's not foolproof (the jews will still disappear from Europe) but it's a decent fix.

I have to report because I've seen many people mentioning that in my current game of Austria->German Empire not only the Jews haven't disappeared they have actually thrived. Well I mean they're there and present and their numbers are steadily rising. Actually what caught my eye when going through my POPs was that actually the majority of the Jews in the Empire were NOT Ashkenazim, instead I had many South German, North German and Hungarian Jewish POPs...Converts?...but the Ashkenazim were there and in good numbers,too(Moravia had an incredible group of ~3500 Ashkenazim capitalists as did Vienna, I wonder what Adolf would have to say about that)...overall 3.2% of the population are Jewish and this is definitely something...although I'm not sure whether that percentage corresponds to the entire population or just the adult male population...I believe it must have something to do with me deciding to pursue more liberal policies in religious and nationality matters in that particular game...can share a save game if anyone wants it
 

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It's even more evident if you're playing an African/Asian minor since those areas tend to be a hodge-podge of different cultures AND religions. My game as Ethiopia ended with my primary culture (sorry, can't remeber the name) making up less than 10% of my total population... most of whom lived in North Korea! (co-insidentally split between my communist empire and the USA, we were actually allies though)

It occured to me while playing that maybe some nations need a "pan-X" decision or something in which they unite thier cultural kin (pan-africa, pan-germanic etc.) simmilar to those that exist for India and Scandinavia
 
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Aren't you guys confusing culture with race? India did in fact become rather British in a number of ways. I mean, business suits, cricket, nationalism, the English language, etc, etc. Of course Christianity didn't make much headway, but that's modeled separately in the game. So I dunno, I don't find the notion of India being 50% culturally British all that ridiculous. Again, I think you're equating culture with ethnicity and they are different.

Anyway, quick question. I recently acquired Shanghai from China in my game as Spain. I noticed after several decades that the Chinese never assimilate, even with over 50% literacy. Is China just hardcoded to not assimilate at all?
 
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Aren't you guys confusing culture with race? India did in fact become rather British in a number of ways. I mean, business suits, cricket, nationalism, the English language, etc, etc. Of course Christianity didn't make much headway, but that's modeled separately in the game. So I dunno, I don't find the notion of India being 50% culturally British all that ridiculous. Again, I think you're equating culture with ethnicity and they are different.

By that logic most Americans, Australians and South Africans are British.
 
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Well, culturally they are in large part. But the US has had massive immigration from countries other than Britain, which has caused a cultural drift (along with time and a big ocean). But think about what a place like India, S. Africa, or America was like before the British arrived, and look at them now. They are vastly different. Britain did indeed have a significant and lasting cultural impact on those areas. So if you're looking at it from the standpoint of culture, saying India is half-British isn't really ridiculous at all. The whole way Indians live their lives, see the world, govern themselves, dress, what they eat is all different now due to the British. If you're looking at it from the standpoint of race, then yeah it's obviously ridiculous. So if Paradox meant "culture" as a politically correct euphemish for "race" then okay I'm on board. Otherwise I would disagree with the notion that colonial areas were only marginally impacted culturally by the colonizing powers. The whole fact that they wake up to electric alarm clocks, put on business suits, go into cities in their cars, etc, etc... their whole lives have become "British" or "Western." 50% is probably too low!

But will there ever be any assimilation in Shanghai? Is China hardcoded to never assimilate?
 
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Okay, so eventually there will be some assimilation? Thanks!

One more question if you don't mind. What are the rules for core provs? In EU3 it was a simple matter of time, but there seem to be other rules for Victoria 2.
 

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Okay, so eventually there will be some assimilation? Thanks!

One more question if you don't mind. What are the rules for core provs? In EU3 it was a simple matter of time, but there seem to be other rules for Victoria 2.

There's an event that fires to give you them once you are a GP and have N&I.
 
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Ah, I have to be a great power. That's the problem. Thanks, appreciate it.
 

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Assimilation should perhaps better have been in percentage of the target pop, rather than the orginator pop. That would let assimilations in core provinces happen rather quickly, while areas where your culture is in less represented than the poplulations being assimilated, assimilation would be slow.

This I support wholeheartedly, and it makes the most sense. Even when expats group together in new countries it's usually only a single generation before people become nominally part of the majority accepted culture. (Note I said nominally, yes I understand that people retain pride over their cultural heritage but they also don't tend to clash significantly with the prevailing culture either.)