I swear I can get my family married into EVERY royal house in the world this way so easily. It's starting to feel like cheese tactics. The AI never seems to do this at all. Is it dead AI so far as btrothal goes?
Betrothal- is it a cheese tactic? Because AI doesn't ever do it?
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Oh and one other thing- I can keep foreign kings UNWED forever with this tactic- just betroth them to a 2 year old... wait... wait... (12 years later) break betrothal... find another 2 year old in your family... rinse and repeat. Bachelor kings without heirs!
The mechanic is sort of broken in the game.
The mechanic is sort of broken in the game.
When you use it like that yes its cheesy otherwise its fair play, but it would be nice if the ai did it as well
Don't do that then.
And betrothals aren't used by the AI because they immediately make marriages as someone comes of age. Basically a betrothal without the commitment.
Personally I think that betrothal is a good thing in the game even if the AI doesn't use it. In CKI it was pain in the bottom when you had to remember when your chosen bride turns sixteen and then you had to act fast and try to marry her to your ruler/heir before AI ruler marries her to some unimportant count. And if your heir was younger than her then there was no chance of marrying her without killing her first husband. This feature allows you to plan ahead your dynastic marriages and alliances.
You can't keep kings unwed like that. There's a penalty that stops kings from wanting to marry people with a significant age difference to them so they don't marry old women or stay betrothed to babies when they really need to get an heir.
Speaking of marriages, maybe someone with more hands-on experience with the latest patch can answer this: Did that annoying "bug" of kings and dukes marrying lowborns all the freaking time go away? I swear getting super dukes asking me if they could marry that lowborn woman I didnt even notice had appeared in my court for some reason nearly drove me mad.
Seems to have vanished. Of course, now we're back to the "good" old days of landed women marrying the first available landed bachelor that appears in a regular marriage whether or not they're even geographically close.
I don't think the lowborn thing is completely gone.
I saw a few lowborn weddings with kings and I've had a handful of dukes/counts and I believe one king asking me to wed my lowborn. Although looking at the various king, there are less lowborns involved now it would seem. Before, it was just about every king was dumpster diving for a bride.
I saw a few lowborn weddings with kings and I've had a handful of dukes/counts and I believe one king asking me to wed my lowborn. Although looking at the various king, there are less lowborns involved now it would seem. Before, it was just about every king was dumpster diving for a bride.
I dont think its cheese at all. Its a valid strategy.
It comes with one possible drawback; that conditions changed enough by the time the kids grow old enough to marry that its no longer desirable, and you have to piss people off.
Also the AI sometimes reneges on its word, for instance in my current game a 4th grade prince refused the original terms of his betrothal to my daughter after becoming principal heir.
It comes with one possible drawback; that conditions changed enough by the time the kids grow old enough to marry that its no longer desirable, and you have to piss people off.
Also the AI sometimes reneges on its word, for instance in my current game a 4th grade prince refused the original terms of his betrothal to my daughter after becoming principal heir.
Like so many aspects of this game it's only as "cheesy" as you allow it to be. I mostly just use betrothals to lock up any available not-yet-of-age monarchs for alliances. I don't really bother trying to establish my dynasty elsewhere by marriage, all it does is get you dragged into wars for a branch of your family that will just die out in a couple generations because it's too stupid to use matrilineal marriage.
It is absolutely necessary.
The AI knows exactly the date a person comes of age and then makes the most strategic marriage. The player can't do that -- or he can but it's highly annoying. So without this feature, the player would never make useful marriages without a notepad and playing one one speed. It's the same problem of when you're chasing an AI army around the map and it always knows exactly which county to run to so you can't catch it. People are not computers. It's a good feature.
The AI knows exactly the date a person comes of age and then makes the most strategic marriage. The player can't do that -- or he can but it's highly annoying. So without this feature, the player would never make useful marriages without a notepad and playing one one speed. It's the same problem of when you're chasing an AI army around the map and it always knows exactly which county to run to so you can't catch it. People are not computers. It's a good feature.
I thought it looked up the most strategic alliances, determined the best one and then married a random unskilled lowborn?
Betrolthal should provide defencive only alliances while in place, and if broken give a strong claim on the players title to the ruler whos family was insulted if the marrage would have provided full alliance.
I seldom betroth my Heir to anyone because i tend to like to Keep breeding Good genetic traits within the Dynasty(Meaning My Heir gets to Marry the Lowborn Courtier somewhere in Russia with 20 in half her stats), Daughters and Sons who are not the Heir usually get Betrothed to Heirs and Future Rulers.
Only time i break this Pattern is when the odd princess does have Quick/Genius/Strong/Attractive in Which case I'm sure as hell reserving that Character for My heir, Stats before Tracts of Land, But if I can get both i'm sure as hell going to try.
Yea its a bit Gamey, but i seldom find myself with a great need for an Alliance, If my Ruler has Good stats he will have a Stable Realm and Thus have no need to rely on some foreigner to save him, and there's always Sisters with Genius or Quick to really bring the Lords of Europe calling.
Only time i break this Pattern is when the odd princess does have Quick/Genius/Strong/Attractive in Which case I'm sure as hell reserving that Character for My heir, Stats before Tracts of Land, But if I can get both i'm sure as hell going to try.
Yea its a bit Gamey, but i seldom find myself with a great need for an Alliance, If my Ruler has Good stats he will have a Stable Realm and Thus have no need to rely on some foreigner to save him, and there's always Sisters with Genius or Quick to really bring the Lords of Europe calling.
"Hey doc, it hurts when I do this." *gestures*
"Don't do that, then."
I'm also in favor of the AI using betrothals. It may actually temper some of the chaos since countries can't war when there's a betrothal on the line.
It's only cheesy and gamey if you play it like cheesy and gamey. I always try to bethroth/marry close to rank/age.