BETA Patch 1.13 - Checksum ac14 (updated 15/07/01)
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1,400, another 500 in vassals, allied with France at 500. I've already had two large coalitions declare on me and I stomped both of them.
I guess I missed that part of the patch notes, though. Now it makes a bit more sense!
Edit: tested it. AE scales so that it doubles if you have 1500 development. This still seems excessive.
I guess I missed that part of the patch notes, though. Now it makes a bit more sense!
Edit: tested it. AE scales so that it doubles if you have 1500 development. This still seems excessive.
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This increased AE with size is nuts...
I took 2 Provinces from Poland and got like 50 AE with everyone around.
Both were Claims
For Example:
Danzig got 45 AE with me
Hungary who was at war with me against Poland got 25 AE
Little Lucca got 30 AE
And basicly the entire HRE hates me now (Mainz has now 180 AE with me ...)
I can handle the Coalition no problem but thats just a bit insane...
I took 2 Provinces from Poland and got like 50 AE with everyone around.
Both were Claims
For Example:
Danzig got 45 AE with me
Hungary who was at war with me against Poland got 25 AE
Little Lucca got 30 AE
And basicly the entire HRE hates me now (Mainz has now 180 AE with me ...)
I can handle the Coalition no problem but thats just a bit insane...
Been playing 1.13 and Austria never seems to have a chance at being emperor anymore. I've seen Nassau, Palantine and Trier I believe but never Austria or Bohemia and I don't have any idea why it so hard for Austria to keep the emperorship. It makes my Netherlands game a lot easier since I have to play against a weak emperor though.
Anyone else having weird emperors?
Anyone else having weird emperors?
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Being a March under France, who is taking a beating due to his blobbing (which was huge and fast) and AE. I'm trying to improve my relation with Portugal & Aragon to get them to support my independence, however they accept my RM proposals, only to break the royal ties immediately all the time (with the subsequent relation penalty), although I don't know if this happened before 1.13 tbh.
Taking the two provinces with cores from Savoy as Switzerland was negligible in terms of warscore and AE. But taking even one province from them that did not have a core was, to my mind, insanely expensive and aggressive.
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Start Date - 1444
Actual Date - 1485
Paris Development - 32
Brussel Develpment - 31
London - 33
Rome - 36
Venezia - 27
Napoli - 31
Lubeck - 31
Something isnt working well.
Actual Date - 1485
Paris Development - 32
Brussel Develpment - 31
London - 33
Rome - 36
Venezia - 27
Napoli - 31
Lubeck - 31
Something isnt working well.
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Enforced religious unity penalty remains even after the country with the penalty switches to the other religion.
ie, catholic emperor enforces religious unity on protestant Frankfurt, this gives a penalty to protestant Hesse. Hesse some time later becomes Catholic, they still hate the Emperor for turning Frankfurt Catholic,
ie, catholic emperor enforces religious unity on protestant Frankfurt, this gives a penalty to protestant Hesse. Hesse some time later becomes Catholic, they still hate the Emperor for turning Frankfurt Catholic,
Yeah New AE system + AI is... great ;/
This is my 4-th game at 1.12 and First at 1.13, always this same = Burgundy take at war idiotic amount of provinces and then.. "Winter is Coming!" wait... "Coalition Is Coming!" Always coalition from "half" of HRE. So ~20 years after game start, Burgundy disappear from map taken by Coalitions.
So, I don't know, after 1.12 Paradox add special AI for Burgundy named "Suicide" or what?
This is my 4-th game at 1.12 and First at 1.13, always this same = Burgundy take at war idiotic amount of provinces and then.. "Winter is Coming!" wait... "Coalition Is Coming!" Always coalition from "half" of HRE. So ~20 years after game start, Burgundy disappear from map taken by Coalitions.
So, I don't know, after 1.12 Paradox add special AI for Burgundy named "Suicide" or what?
I have more than 12 games and is always the same thing.
At least Naval IA is a beatiful thing in BETA.
At least Naval IA is a beatiful thing in BETA.
I played about 20 hours multiplayer on beta patch and my important observations are as follows:
- Change to development cost is very good.
- I like the AT from forts change
- I like the bonuses for higher government ranks
- AE is ridiculously high for large countries. You can take like 3 provinces every 15 years. I like the idea of large countries getting more AE but this is way overkill. Considering the buff to India and China, this makes central Europe underpowered.
- AI still sucks but I didnt expect it to be any different tbh.
- Keeping Emperor as Austria is very hard and Austria having 2 diplomats while kingdoms have 3 is a bit dumb. Coupled with the nerf to imperial authority gain, Austria seems too weak.
- Change to development cost is very good.
- I like the AT from forts change
- I like the bonuses for higher government ranks
- AE is ridiculously high for large countries. You can take like 3 provinces every 15 years. I like the idea of large countries getting more AE but this is way overkill. Considering the buff to India and China, this makes central Europe underpowered.
- AI still sucks but I didnt expect it to be any different tbh.
- Keeping Emperor as Austria is very hard and Austria having 2 diplomats while kingdoms have 3 is a bit dumb. Coupled with the nerf to imperial authority gain, Austria seems too weak.
IA gain is ok, they removed any excesses from missions, which was needed.
But new cost to development is crap.
But new cost to development is crap.
Anyone seen anything about when 1.13 is going live? I like 1.13 and all, but I was counting on 1.12 saves working in 1.13 (which they dont)... got a few 1.12 games I need switch back over to finish up and it'd be nice to how long I have to do it
Been playing a fair bit as Switzerland:
• AI still stands with 100k troops taking attrition in the same province.
• Warscore and AE for taking provinces from countries that were not the primary war goal is hugely expensive compared to the past. 46% score just for Piedmont, when I declared for Parma, for example. Trying to take 2 provinces from Savoy was over 100%.
• Manpower submarines terribly because of the new attrition. Many wars end with 0 manpower for the major nations involved. Because the AI is attrition stupid in marching across continents, France vs. Ottomans can be a lol-producing misadventure akin to the retreat from Moscow in the winter -- but just on the adventurous march out to Otto. By the time they actually get there, they've accrued significant and needless war exhaustion and taken combatless losses in the thousands.
• AI still stands with 100k troops taking attrition in the same province.
• Warscore and AE for taking provinces from countries that were not the primary war goal is hugely expensive compared to the past. 46% score just for Piedmont, when I declared for Parma, for example. Trying to take 2 provinces from Savoy was over 100%.
• Manpower submarines terribly because of the new attrition. Many wars end with 0 manpower for the major nations involved. Because the AI is attrition stupid in marching across continents, France vs. Ottomans can be a lol-producing misadventure akin to the retreat from Moscow in the winter -- but just on the adventurous march out to Otto. By the time they actually get there, they've accrued significant and needless war exhaustion and taken combatless losses in the thousands.
I generally enjoy the changes having played some 20+ hours now (even though I am a bit frustrated), and the option to form Tuscany is great. I would like for you to fix the BUG for the forming of Italy. (my apologies if not the correct place to post this)
You simply do not get the new italian ideas and traditions but keep your former country, even though it specifically states you get the new Italian ideas.
I have formed Italy as both Florence --> Tucany --> Italy as well as Milan --> Italy.
Hope you fix it soon !
You simply do not get the new italian ideas and traditions but keep your former country, even though it specifically states you get the new Italian ideas.
I have formed Italy as both Florence --> Tucany --> Italy as well as Milan --> Italy.
Hope you fix it soon !
Since it still has some loltastic bugs and most of Paradox are on holiday, I wouldn't expect to see it go live before, say, mid-August.
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Only 1.12 ironman cloud saves don't work in 1.13. But you could always keep playing your local ironman copy.Anyone seen anything about when 1.13 is going live? I like 1.13 and all, but I was counting on 1.12 saves working in 1.13 (which they dont)... got a few 1.12 games I need switch back over to finish up and it'd be nice to how long I have to do it
I'm hoping for a second hotfix which increases development cost to 3% per level (or if not that, in any case makes the AI prioritize tech and ideas over development), lowers insane AE amounts, fixes formables not getting proper ideas (Italy, TO-> Prussia). Those are my main problems so far.
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Hell no - it had been removed, and I'm all too happy to see it come back. If you are a big nation, your landgrabs should be seen with more worry than if Ulm does the same.1,400, another 500 in vassals, allied with France at 500. I've already had two large coalitions declare on me and I stomped both of them.
I guess I missed that part of the patch notes, though. Now it makes a bit more sense!
Edit: tested it. AE scales so that it doubles if you have 1500 development. This still seems excessive.
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