BETA Patch 1.13 - Checksum ac14 (updated 15/07/01)

[chris_dftba]

Aye. I don't think I've been through a game yet where Poland managed to keep their PU over Lithuania. That being said I've been seeing Novgorod conquer Muscovy with a lot more frequency. 2/3 games I've played since Common Sense (and the one I'm in with 1.13) have seen Novgorod conquer Muscovy.

 

[lordgoof]

I'm seeing lots of screenshots like these, as well as my own game, where Poland and Lithuania are getting wrecked by the TO and (usually) Muscovy. I think they may have been tuned down a bit too far. Are others seeing this as well?

I don't think they have been turned down at all. It seems like AE has been jacked up and they forgot to remind the AI that it has been.

 

[Gakumerasara]

Does this patch fix the incompetent AI? If so, I might be starting over my Ironman campaign.

 

[lordgoof]

Does this patch fix the incompetent AI? If so, I might be starting over my Ironman campaign.

Marginally........It's still pretty bad.

 

[PeterCorless]

Okay. I got *another* coalition after sitting and spinning for the early decades of the 1600s after a war with France + Savoy. Took the last Savoy province, finishing a process that had been halted for about a full century. Also took 5 French provinces. I expected a coalition, but.... 99 AE for SCOTLAND? (They were not a French ally.)

It is very, very easy to get to over 200 AE.

So, let's roll with it. Half the continent, practically, aside from my own allies, France (because he's peaced out) Castile, Hungary and a few others joins the coalition. That's when my ally Aragon thinks it's a good idea to invade Castile. That breaks my alliance with Portugal, as they are allied with the Spaniards.

Big war. Austria and even Commonwealth are in on Spain. It's going okay.

That is, of course, when the Coalition War triggers. Bar decides he wants to get feisty.

350 k enemies against about 250k allies (at war start).

It's a good thing I had over 1,000 ducats in the bank. A massive mercenary wave or four later, and the coalition decides to call it quits.

However, even "winning" the Coalition War, and then going back to pound Castile into the sand, I am still left with over 200 AE, and it looks like it's going to be pegged around 50-200 for most neighbors for the rest of the 17th Century.

Didn't we go through the EUIV versions that resulted in "sitzkrieg" before?

 

[NewNickNeeded15]

Black Flag Bug
(I have no idea where to put this or if this is the correct place to post bugs but this happened to me while playing on Patch 1.13)

I was about 30 years into my Scottish campaign and had just won my first war against England (all of their troops were stuck in Sweden) and after the war 8 Swedish troops were black flagged on my capital (with a fort). Fastforward 10 years and the Swedish troops are still there. I declared war on England again and things were going well (England was 2 tech levels behind) but then Sweden landed 1 troop on my capital with their BLACK FLAGGED 8 stack. So my capital began to get sieged, which I thought was weird but disregarded it because things were going well and a rebellion was about to fire near there. The rebellion fires and it kills the non-black flagged single troop and then began to help Sweden siege! I got fed up with it and attacked the province and killed all of the rebels but I couldn't attack the black flagged troops, which continued to siege! The black flagged troops eventually took my capital and were then un-black flagged (because they were now in my own territory). These 8 troops then turned the tide of the war and I started to loose.

TL;DR 8 Black Flagged troops were able to help 1 troop siege. Killed the normal troop, and the black flagged troops were able to finish the siege and were then un-black flagged.

There even was a video posted on Youtube on how to deliberately use invincible exiled troops of your own to siege.

 

[Golladan]

Okay. I got *another* coalition after sitting and spinning for the early decades of the 1600s after a war with France + Savoy. Took the last Savoy province, finishing a process that had been halted for about a full century. Also took 5 French provinces. I expected a coalition, but.... 99 AE for SCOTLAND? (They were not a French ally.)

It is very, very easy to get to over 200 AE.

So, let's roll with it. Half the continent, practically, aside from my own allies, France (because he's peaced out) Castile, Hungary and a few others joins the coalition. That's when my ally Aragon thinks it's a good idea to invade Castile. That breaks my alliance with Portugal, as they are allied with the Spaniards.

Big war. Austria and even Commonwealth are in on Spain. It's going okay.

That is, of course, when the Coalition War triggers. Bar decides he wants to get feisty.

350 k enemies against about 250k allies (at war start).

It's a good thing I had over 1,000 ducats in the bank. A massive mercenary wave or four later, and the coalition decides to call it quits.

However, even "winning" the Coalition War, and then going back to pound Castile into the sand, I am still left with over 200 AE, and it looks like it's going to be pegged around 50-200 for most neighbors for the rest of the 17th Century.

Didn't we go through the EUIV versions that resulted in "sitzkrieg" before?

Are you playing on hard difficulty?

 

[PeterCorless]

Nope. Not hard mode. AE has been widely reported as over-the-top. Just giving pragmatic examples.

 

[ChildeR]

Okay. I got *another* coalition after sitting and spinning for the early decades of the 1600s after a war with France + Savoy. Took the last Savoy province, finishing a process that had been halted for about a full century. Also took 5 French provinces. I expected a coalition, but.... 99 AE for SCOTLAND? (They were not a French ally.)

Did you take the French provinces in a separate peace? What was the CB?

 

[grommile]

Is there a date for the beta patch to get finalized? And can we PLEASE do something about the -40 "neutral attitude towards you" modifier when you have +150 relations from them and to them.

Without a save, it's impossible to say whether this is working as intended. Many attitudes' selection weight is only very loosely affected by Opinion. Instead, they are largely driven by the AI's internal calculations about the relative desirability of defending you (protect), defending against you (threat), dominating you (vassalize), attacking you (antagonize), or making friends with you (befriend).

How those internal calculations work is rather opaque.

 

[Wizzington]

Wiz has it on the nosy. I did have AE from prior wars. I had been sitting and spinning, minding my own business, trying to let it burn down for somewhere over a decade. I still had well over 100 AE with some nations. So when I got called into the war, it triggered "MOAR AE!" on me as an "aggressor."


There hasn't been a coalition war. They just thought "Ooh! Let's pretend that, on a good day, we could take him! Coalition!!!"

Oddly, after beating the crud out of Austria and sieging him into oblivion, he re-upped for an alliance with me, rather than join the coalition against. Go figger.

p.s. Beagá: No OE. I still had about 12k manpower left (out of about 76k). It was all the sitting and spinning on Austrian fortresses that burned me down. I think I had about 3 serious land battles -- all of which I won. That loss was minimal. About 6k per battle. It was the sitting and sieging that decimated me.

You didn't get any AE from the war. You just became weak and thus a target.

 

[londoner247]

You didn't get any AE from the war. You just became weak and thus a target.

In the current beta (where I am aware that AE for large nations is bugged and so I am getting more AE than I should) I have had coalitions form against me the day after I accept a call to arms in an offensive war or the day after I declare my own offensive war. If I was not any weaker at that stage and there is no AE from the war declaration, what prompted the coalitions?

Does the AI re-evaluate their attitudes to nations when they declare war? Did they just anticipate that the war would weaken me and my allies? Or is something else going on?