Getting Beta patches at all is the free invite, I hadn't thought about the event thing. Sure, the hordes do suck a bit at the moment, but comparing it to classical Rome is a bit, err, 'excessive'.
Beta of 5.1 - 10th of May 2011 - Discussion Thread
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Getting Beta patches at all is the free invite, I hadn't thought about the event thing. Sure, the hordes do suck a bit at the moment, but comparing it to classical Rome is a bit, err, 'excessive'.
It's not an invite to help in the development process, it's an invite to do free bug testing for them. Mind you, I don't personally mind doing that, but it's a big difference.
I'm hoping (and assuming) Paradox is working on the horde issue and that it just didn't get addressed in this patch. For now though, we have a patch that doesn't do a whole a lot.
Not just hordes, EU3 is "burning", though. To the point where I'm considering uninstalling Divine Wind because all it's done is worsen my experience with the game and my faith in Paradox.
That's a bit extreme, but I would agree that it's been awhile since I've played EU. Every time I think about playing a country, I think about all the problems associated with it. The unbalanced (and just not fun) horde mechanic kills off a bunch of possible countries, in particular Russian ones. The underpowered nature of the Islamic world (leading to the constant conquest of North Africa by Castille) and the wreckage that is Eastern Europe (because of the hordes) leads to a very blah world, where Western Europe has no possible challengers of any kind.
The reasons for this are many, like the aforementioned hordes, but the problems with Eastern Europe and the Islamic world are also tied to other issues. For instance, in DW Paradox decided to REDUCE the tech rate of the Muslim/Ottoman/Eastern tech groups, thus further widening the unrealistic gap between them and the West. In addition to this, while Paradox busily added provinces to Japan, the Middle East remains an area with far too provinces. It's a big reason why Castille can take over North Africa so quickly. Just look at what happened with Switzerland in DW when it got all of its new provinces. It became a solid country that sticks around in most games now, even though the new provinces are far from rich. The same effect would be seen in North Africa if more provinces were added.
I could go on and on...
Well noone is holy-warring switzerland... cb's make a big difference to how much a country can swallow in one gulp.
When Switzerland had two provinces in HTTT no one was either, and yet they regularly disappeared.
Exceptions and luck -- the vast majority of the time Castille/Portugal/Aragon gobble up North Africa and beyond incredibly quickly and easily.
Yes, that seems to be an unfortunate side-effect of the required code (any_owned - limit - previous_owner).
For all we know, Paradox may already know how they want to fix the hordes and just need more time to implement a proper fix. I don't think it is productive to make assumptions about their plans for horde balance based on their request for public input on events.
I'm not, I was responding specifically to the comment Fishman786 made. I agree that Paradox might plan on fixing the hordes later.
You might be right there, but what is the point in releasing a beta patch that doesnt solve ANY problem but just adds new gameplay frustration? I'll simply roll back to HTTT as suggested to avoid any further disappointment.
We already bug tested the 5.0 version. none of the 5.1 betas brought any improvements to the known problems. So what's the point in bug testing (for a paid product btw) if nobody cares?
I'm going to have to disagree here. Several national missions that worked poorly have been fixed, the naval maintenance system has been vastly improved, and there have been a HUGE number of small bug fixes and tweaks.
Sure, there are still balance issues present and some new ones have been introduced during the beta, but we should remember that the beta process is not yet complete.
Also, let's keep things in perspective. Balance was pretty good in HttT, but it wasn't perfect. Giant Ming blobs were commonplace. In Divine Wind, especially the in betas, that problem has been effectively solved.
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So, is it just me, or did the army selection change? When I hover my mouse over an army, I no longer get the tooltip that tells me its strength and where it is going, unless I zoom way in - far enough that I see the sprite and not the banner. Also, I can no longer select armies by clicking on the banner; I have to either drag-select everything in the province, or (again) zoom in far enough that I can see the sprite. This is very annoying. I don't see this problem in the March 31 patch.
The one thing which troubles me most is that, with each new beta, I keep expecting to hear something about the CTD on exit. But it never comes. Sigh....
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