Beta for Armageddon 1.3 is now up (general comments/questions only please)

[xtfoster]

I have loaded the game as ENG and the convoys left are about 70. The issue I found is that the British troops oversea are fully supplied.

IIRC the British troops in Africa will be supplied from South Africa, Free France (after Vichy) and the Belgian Congo (after Capitulation) if they aren't able to ship enough supplies on their own.
EDIT: And the ones in Pakistan/India/Burma will be supplied from Bhutan/Nepal.

One more thing to report: I have created some puppet but the Denmark and Norway were created without any tech team.

Bug #7 on this list.

 

[xtfoster]

What countries will be released is set up in the AI.

liberate = {
	LIT
	FIN
}

But I am still a little confused about why only some countries are releasable by certain countries and not others. Why, for example human Soviet Union can not release Ukraine, and Germany can. Anyone know how this is set up, and if so, id the same restrictions are set up for the AI, as for human. Could AI SU release Ukraine if it was instructed to in the AI parameters?

No. Using that parameter above will only cause the AI to release a country if:
A) They are a Democracy (the USSR isn't)
AND
B) They are at peace

EDIT: And they can't release them manually because they can't release their own cores.

 

[son of liberty]

...One more thing to report: I have created some puppet but the Denmark and Norway were created without any tech team.

Germany has thier teams.

 

[son of liberty]

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Bug #7 on this list.

Are you sure? Or does he have tech team take over on, and germany has the teams?

 

[xtfoster]

Are you sure? Or does he have tech team take over on, and germany has the teams?

Yes. Denmark would have been annexed by event, which means Germany wouldn't have gotten their teams in the first place.

 

[unmerged(74599)]

No. Using that parameter above will only cause the AI to release a country if:
A) They are a Democracy (the USSR isn't)
AND
B) They are at peace

EDIT: And they can't release them manually because they can't release their own cores.

I wasn't specifically refering to the USSR and that code, just using it as an example of that code in use. That said, you have partly answered my question.

What are the parameters that define what country may be released by what country. How does that work? Your answer suggests the possibility that a country can only release a country, if there is a country available that fits within that countries ideology matrix. Is that right?

 

[xtfoster]

I wasn't specifically refering to the USSR and that code, just using it as an example of that code in use. That said, you have partly answered my question.

What are the parameters that define what country may be released by what country. How does that work? Your answer suggests the possibility that a country can only release a country, if there is a country available that fits within that countries ideology matrix. Is that right?

1) The country has to control ALL of the required territory for the country to be liberated.
2) At least one of those provinces has to be a non-core province of the releasing country.
3) Some countries have "intrinsic" government types that prevent opposing government types from releasing them (East/West Germany, Nationalist China/Communist China).
4) The seems to be a problem with the regular_id that prevents a country from being released if another releasable country has it as a regular_id (or vice versa).

 

[unmerged(74599)]

Thanks. The third was really inquiring about. By the last you are talking about countries that have Regular ID hack? Soviet Union/Russia for example.

 

[xtfoster]

Thanks. The third was really inquiring about. By the last you are talking about countries that have Regular ID hack? Soviet Union/Russia for example.

Correct. It only seems to be a problem after the main country has been annexed, until then there is no problem releasing them.

For Example: During the Japan/China war you can release China-Nanjing, the Warlords, etc., but after annexing them you can't release any of them.

 

[CSABadass]

UK event #3406 The Independence of India needs a "not at war with Japan" line added to its trigger. I just saw the event fire, creating a neutral India with half the subcontinent occupied by the Emperor's army, which now has nothing standing between it and Persia.

 

[son of liberty]

Why does the redraw western borders event fire while still at war with the axis?

 

[ozman2]

UK event #3406 The Independence of India needs a "not at war with Japan" line added to its trigger. I just saw the event fire, creating a neutral India with half the subcontinent occupied by the Emperor's army, which now has nothing standing between it and Persia.

Agreed. It really should be after Japanese surrender. But I think it would be sufficient to specify these three conditions:
1) Germany does not exist
2) UK is not at war
3) Japan is not at war (or doesn't exist)

 

[unmerged(74599)]

UK event #3406 The Independence of India needs a "not at war with Japan" line added to its trigger. I just saw the event fire, creating a neutral India with half the subcontinent occupied by the Emperor's army, which now has nothing standing between it and Persia.

Hmm, it may be an error, but one that is completely possible (if not likely) as a counter-historical narrative. The Congress Party of India, in charge of the colonial Parliment, refused to declare war on Japan, and India did not officially declare war on Japan until the British Governor General did so on the behalf of the British Raj.

Gandhi put forward the position that the people of India should offer nothing more than moral support to the British cause, and was arrested for this, and Chandra Bose amassed an army of 50,000 nationalists to fight on behalf of the Japanese against the British.

Needless to say, these facts, and the events of the post-war period indicate that British control over India was very tenuous, and in the light of this I think it very likely that their might have been a revolt in India, alongside a declaration of neutrality had the British lost control of the border area in Burma and had the Japanese been able to march on Calcutta.

I would amend your suggestion to say that the event should be changed to allow for exactly this to happen, when Britain is at war with Japan, but at anytime, if the Japanese were to capture Calcutta, and a few more Indian cores.

India, is very badly done in this game frankly, and probably should start the game as a British Puppet.

We have taken up this discussion as a possible future modification to the EIR mod, and we are discussing it here: India in EIR

 

[CSABadass]

Hmm, it may be an error, but one that is completely possible (if not likely) as a counter-historical narrative. The Congress Party of India, in charge of the colonial Parliment, refused to declare war on Japan, and India did not officially declare war on Japan until the British Governor General did so on the behalf of the British Raj.

Gandhi put forward the position that the people of India should offer nothing more than moral support to the British cause, and was arrested for this, and Chandra Bose amassed an army of 50,000 nationalists to fight on behalf of the Japanese against the British.

Needless to say, these facts, and the events of the post-war period indicate that British control over India was very tenuous, and in the light of this I think it very likely that their might have been a revolt in India, alongside a declaration of neutrality had the British lost control of the border area in Burma and had the Japanese been able to march on Calcutta.

I would amend your suggestion to say that the event should be changed to allow for exactly this to happen, when Britain is at war with Japan, but at anytime, if the Japanese were to capture Calcutta, and a few more Indian cores.

I agree there should be some sort of event for a Japanese-controlled Indian state. However, my suggestion was for the existing "UK Lets India Go" event. It makes zero sense for that event to fire while the UK's still at war, especially when (in my case) it resulting in 60+ divisions being zapped back to London and giving Hirohito a clear, straight shot to Teheran, if not Baghdad.

 

[unmerged(74599)]

Yes. Probably right, those 60 divisions should rightly just disappear entirely since they would likely have been comprised of the 2.5 million Indian nationals who joined the British army in the war.

 

[xtfoster]

...giving Hirohito a clear, straight shot to Teheran, if not Baghdad.

How? India, when created by this event, is neutral. So unless Japan DoWs India (and Pakistan) they can't even get to Persia.

 

[unmerged(74599)]

Well, against a human we can imagine what the Japanese decision would be.

 

[CSABadass]

How? India, when created by this event, is neutral. So unless Japan DoWs India (and Pakistan) they can't even get to Persia.

In addition to Cueball's point, I simply meant there were no Allied troops in their way.

And in any case, I maintain the event makes no sense under present circumstances.

 

[unmerged(74599)]

The country could be released so that British divisions in India became Indian, I think.

 

[ozman2]

One way to handle the issue is to remove ALL Indian divisions from the names file for the UK. They should only exist as defined by the scenario, and the event can simply remove all named Indian divisions form the UK. They get teleported back to India from wherever they are. However, I tend to side with CSABadass on this one. I think that Indian revolt if the Japanese advance well into India may very well occur, but is probably beyond the mandate of the patch team. It is nonetheless a valid modding issue.

Suggest: Add trigger conditions that say that at the very minimum the UK and Japan cannot be at war. If you want to make Indian independence possible if the Japanese occupy Calcutta I'd go along with it. Otherwise it should not occur.

Suggestion #2--Remove Indian division names from UK names list. I have a file with them removed. Do you want it?