How much discipline would I need to make up for +50% damage received? Reformation age bonus gives +2.5% for mercs. Manchu banners get +10%. If I run a merc/banner only frontline would that make up for it? Any other options besides stacking discipline?
Best ways to mitigate low mandate military penalties?
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Gonna guess they took the mandate before getting a good amount of ming/tributaries. It tanks really fast if you didn't take enough of ming to get tributaries.
You would need appx +50% discipline to get back to normal casualties.
Honestly Manchu is so punchy that you legitimately can get away with zero mandate. Bigger issue is the goods produced penalty than the damage taken, imo. Maybe some sort of divert trade engine?
Honestly Manchu is so punchy that you legitimately can get away with zero mandate. Bigger issue is the goods produced penalty than the damage taken, imo. Maybe some sort of divert trade engine?
Yeah but if they did then the tributes of Ming should break away and enable them to capture them in their own sphere of influence (since if you're strong enough to punch out Ming, you probably are strong enough to command some degree of respect from the newly freed tributes)
The reason people rarely go EoC despite 20% RCC is that it is basically impossible to play efficiently for a WC and still get positive mandate generation, so I assume its actually testing the feasibility of playing at 0 mandate..
Is it really 50%? I assume damage reduction from discipline only applies from extra tactics. Money is made up from divert trade, Mughal India states, and the Gnostek strat of maxing revanchism. I'm gonna lose some cores to Spain/Sweden when giving back their capitals and stay at 100% revanchism for the rest of the game.
Main issue is having to fight Japan and parts of Africa without vassal help. But if damage taken only equates to more reinforcement cost then I'm guessing it's worth it for the 10% CCR. Can also use force tributary CB on some European GPs that haven't been added to HRE yet as long as the war score cost of taking new capital is < 20.
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I am more confused by how you plan to flip to an EoC eligible religion...
Coptic has 10%, EoC has 10%, no EoC eligible religion has 10% afaik?
Coptic has 10%, EoC has 10%, no EoC eligible religion has 10% afaik?
Switching to Qing gives free conversion to Confucianism. I can flip, declare on Ming with mandate CB, start converting a Coptic province, accept demands the next month and be Coptic again before the war is over.
Another random buggy mechanic that affects whether to take mandate is that flipping to Manchu or any other tag doesn't downgrade government rank as HRE emperor, but flipping to Qing does. The only way to fix it is to become EoC or Tsardom which are locked to empire rank. The state limit penalty for Duchy doesn't matter but the -1 leader without keep and diplomat hurts a little.
Another random buggy mechanic that affects whether to take mandate is that flipping to Manchu or any other tag doesn't downgrade government rank as HRE emperor, but flipping to Qing does. The only way to fix it is to become EoC or Tsardom which are locked to empire rank. The state limit penalty for Duchy doesn't matter but the -1 leader without keep and diplomat hurts a little.
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I personally tried to take the Mandate as Tengri Ryukyu, then switch back to Animism so I could convert to Coptic
But even if you just do it for the sheer novelty like I did, there are just too many hoops to jump through if you plan to take Mandate
Bordering non-tributary is pretty routine in WC runs and it's pretty difficult to have enough tributaries to offset decent-sized nations on your borders, which count against you even in truce.
If you do this late (like after client states are available), then passing the reforms in a decent timeframe is a problem.
The 20% RCC is pretty attractive, but it's some of the most expensive RCC you can get.
Start as Ming, go Manchu and convert to Hindu Is a viable solution. Instead of first Manchu eating Ming, although more heroic ;-) Personally I dont like the tributary game but if you are interested Marco is streaming this approach currently https://www.twitch.tv/marcoan7onio_/videos/all
Hope this helps
Hope this helps