Best way to nerf Lithuania is... to add more provinces!!

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But if you shrink Lithuanian provinces to the size of Polish, Lithuania will be roughly as large as Hungary, for instance.

Why do nationalists post assertions that are obviously false? Hungary has 19 provinces. Lithuania has 31 provinces. When people fact check them, as I just did, their arguments fall apart.
 
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This is a bizarre trojan horse argument. If you want provinces added, argue honestly about why they should be added instead of this.

I've started numerous topics about Eastern European region being one of the least detailed and one of the ugliest part of EU4 map since 1.8 (please check my signature). The amount of time I've invested in those threads was considerable, so it's a bit strange that there were no dev feedback on such a massive amount of work. Now I've put two simple reasons and their possible impact on Lithuanian performance, and I got your attention.


I do appreciate (and very grateful) that Zaporozhian Hetmanate got own NIs, a unique government form (renamed Tribal Democracy), changed it's tech and cultural groups. But still, in my opinion, Lithuanian and Russian regions do not meet your own quality standards you (I mean you and your team) have shown 1.8 and 1.12. Most of reasons, historical proofs and basis you can find in my previous threads (I've linked them).

P.S. I don't get why is my suggestion not valid from any point of view?
 
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I'm not saying no Lithuanian provinces should ever be split, I'm saying that I do not respect a trojan horse argument.

I really did try multiple "honest" (from your PoV) approaches, but they didn't work. So a bit "tricky" approach seemed to be a logical move. :rolleyes:
 
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I really did try multiple "honest" (from your PoV) approaches, but they didn't work. So a bit "tricky" approach seemed to be a logical move. :rolleyes:

You seem to think that you have the right to have your suggestions accepted and immediately implemented. You do not, and this clumsy attempt at manipulation is insulting to my intelligence.

If you cannot accept to simply make suggestions in good faith, I will ensure all your posts go unread by developers from now on. Your previous posts were all read, considered and internally discussed but we do not make a habit of publicly discussing potential future map changes because it always results in flame wars.
 
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You seem to think that you have the right to have your suggestions accepted and immediately implemented. You do not, and this clumsy attempt at manipulation is insulting to my intelligence.

If you cannot accept to simply make suggestions in good faith, I will ensure all your posts go unread by developers from now on.

You seem to exaggerate a lot about my position and I think that your assumptions and tone are insulting. As an IT engineer, accustomed to ITIL standards, I also think that you should have used a slightly more diplomatic approach.

Also please, show me where I demanded, mentioned or asked or for immediate implementation for any of my suggestions ever. I guess there is a reasonable difference between suggesting something and demanding it. But you instead chose to pass by constructive feedback and aggroed on a small post.

P.S. I didn't want to insult anyone (including you) by any means. Sorry if I did.
 
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You seem to exaggerate a lot about my position and I think that your assumptions and tone are insulting. As an IT engineer, accustomed to ITIL standards, I also think that you should have used a slightly more diplomatic approach.

Also please, show me where I demanded, mentioned or asked or for immediate implementation for any of my suggestions ever. I guess there is a reasonable difference between suggesting something and demanding it. But you instead chose to pass by constructive feedback and aggroed on a small post.

P.S. I didn't want to insult anyone (including you) by any means. Sorry if I did.

People who can accept 'no' for an answer do not try to trick their way into a 'yes'.

I do not like it when people try to manipulate me and I feel absolutely no need to be diplomatic about this. If it's uncomfortable for you to suffer the consequences of being dishonest, I suggest not being dishonest.
 
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I'm not saying no Lithuanian provinces should ever be split, I'm saying that I do not respect a trojan horse argument.


Will you be reworking the Low Countries and adding provinces to the Netherlands and Belgium? They were very urbanized and populated in the game's timeframe.
 

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Close topic, please?

Good idea.

I will say this as a closing statement: I am not on these forums for PR purposes. I am here to have an honest dialogue with the player base. As such, I am not afraid to call out posters that I consider to be arguing in bad faith. If you cannot handle that and prefer being politely stonewalled, I'm sure there are plenty of other companies whose forums will suit you better.
 
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