Best way to nerf Lithuania is... to add more provinces!!

[Zak Preston]

So, we have a big and spooky Lithuania that beats out all crap from poor Muscovy, Ottomans and hordes with it's super-high development. Most ppl that raged about Lithuania being OP pointed that it's territories are too rich and too developed.

But if you shrink Lithuanian provinces to the size of Polish, Lithuania will be roughly as large as Hungary, for instance. In current reality large and rich provinces mean two things:
1. it's much easier to defend them with forts
2. more developed province => more slots for buildings => more tax/trade/manpower generating buildings, all of them adding percentage to province's current power.

If you double the amount of provinces Lithuania has, leaving overall development the same, you will need twice more forts at very least to defend those territories, especially from nasty Ruthenian, Belarussian or Orthodox rebels.

Also adding more provinces would make this region much more fun to play, with prettier borders and more diverse tactical and strategical decisions.

 

[EnricoMettifogo]

yay
Lithuania is the new Sweden

 

[Beagá]

Why not removing provinces, for a change?

Just reduce Lithuania development and fix the autonomy system so people need effort to put it below 25%, even 50% if your government is primitive and culture not accepted. And yes by primitive I mean both despotic AND feudal types too.

 

[Frungy78]

Hungary is pretty scary now. With little expansion, I see it getting 60+ armies.

 

[Zak Preston]

Why not removing provinces, for a change?

Just reduce Lithuania development and fix the autonomy system so people need effort to put it below 25%, even 50% if your government is primitive and culture not accepted. And yes by primitive I mean both despotic AND feudal types too.

Maybe, because adding more provinces for Lithuania will solve 2 problems with one shot?

 

[zemuzil]

No you are not getting more provinces for ruthenia nice try

 

[Zak Preston]

No you are not getting more provinces for ruthenia nice try

You are not a developer, and your word means nothing here. Nice try, though.

 

[Korashy]

No you are not getting more provinces for ruthenia nice try

I'd rather have some splits than super Kiev, that province is ridiculous

 

[zemuzil]

You are not a developer, and your word means nothing here. Nice try, though.

neither are you and your constant whining for buffing overpowered ruthenia wont change the fact

 

[Zak Preston]

neither are you and your constant whining for buffing overpowered ruthenia wont change the fact

The only one whining about OP Ruthenia here is you. And I'm suggesting a workaround that would satisfy 2 cathegories: people that think that Lithuania is OP and people that think that Lithuania needs some internal borders changes.
BTW, I was talking about Lithuania, not Ruthenia, u dirty rutheniaphobe

 

[Vaximillian]

If you double the amount of provinces Lithuania has

I spy a subtle „My country deserves more provinces“ here, with „my country“ being Ukraine.

 

[jebates]

You get a province! And you get a province! And you get a province! Every-body gets a province!

 

[zemuzil]

The only one whining about OP Ruthenia here is you. And I'm suggesting a workaround that would satisfy 2 cathegories: people that think that Lithuania is OP and people that think that Lithuania needs some internal borders changes.
BTW, I was talking about Lithuania, not Ruthenia, u dirty rutheniaphobe

Lithuania only needs cosmetic fixes

and polish culture in Vilnius ,Grodno,Volyn ,eastern galicia

 

[Zak Preston]

I spy a subtle „My country deserves more provinces“ here, with „my country“ being Ukraine.

Well, not only Ukraine, but also Belarus and Lithuania are in the same boat.

 

[Zak Preston]

Lithuania only needs cosmetic fixes

and polish culture in Vilnius ,Grodno,Volyn ,eastern galicia

All Lithuania needs is a complete provinces overhaul while keeping overall state development roughly the same.

Also Ruthenian culture in Vilnius, Warsaw, Krakow, Rome, and Constantinople, Paris, London and Moscow . Hope, u didn't get heart attack while reading my post? =)))

 

[Vaximillian]

Also Ruthenian culture in Vilnius, Warsaw, Krakow, Rome, and Constantinople, Paris, London and Moscow . Hope, u didn't get heart attack while reading my post? =)))

Actually, you forgot Peking, Edo, Lemuria and Nibiru. Proto-Ukrainians were everywhere, y'know.

 

[Wizzington]

This is a bizarre and seemingly dishonest argument. If you want provinces added, argue for their merits instead of... this.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

This is a bizarre and seemingöy dishonest argument. If you want provinces added, argue for their merits instead of... this.

The borders are ugly, good enough of an argument?

 

[Clownie]

This is a bizarre and seemingöy dishonest argument. If you want provinces added, argue for their merits instead of... this.

Some of Lithuania's provinces legitimately should be split. Have you had a gander at Minsk, lately?

 

[Wizzington]

I'm not saying no Lithuanian provinces should ever be split, I'm saying that I do not respect a trojan horse argument.