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Mr.Penguin said:
A possible Russian contender for the titel as "Best Tank"
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It is believe that this new tank will see active service sometime in 2005 or 2006...


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Dont bet on it Russia hasn't bought anything new for a while now and doesn't haver to coin to start now. Most probably it'll be for sale to India, China et al by then.
 

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Mr.Penguin said:
A possible Russian contender for the titel as "Best Tank"
Object 640 (Black Eagle, T-80UM2?). The future Russian MBT, based on the present T-80UM MBT, but with a new re-designed all welded turret. It has an auto-loader, with its ammo stored in the turret bustle to the rear, like in modern western Tanks. That way is the 3 man crew separated from the ammo, un-like present day Russian Tanks, which have its ammo stored under the turrt floor. The auto-loader is a complete re-design that will allow the main gun to fire long-rod APFSDS ammo, something that hasnt been been possible in earlier designs...
The Tank has an intergraded thermal-vision sight for both the Commandor and the gunner, which are fully stabilized like the main gun, enabling the Tank to fire on the move and Commandor to engaged a new target while the gunner still is engaging the first target, system similar to the CITV on the M1A2...
The front 120 degree of the turret is protected by intergraded blocks of Kontakt-5 ERA and steep slope of the forward armor plates, with the Russian version of Chobham armor, giving it a high level of protection against HEAT rounds and long-rod APFSDS ammo...
The chassis of the "Black Eagle" is a lengthened T-80UM hull with 7 roadwheels per side. Although the final version most likely will be useing the standard T-80UM hull, as it will be easier to up-grade the existing fleet of T-80UM's that way...
The gun will most likely still be the standard 125mm gun, although an up-grade to a newer 135mm gun is possible...
It is believe that this new tank will see active service sometime in 2005 or 2006...Mr.Penguin

Uhmm...........That robotic machine gun on top and that wind sensor or whatever it is. What happens when the machinegun has to fire over the left side of the turret? Shoot it off?
 

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Copper Nicus said:
This should be easy question:

What tank it is?

Note: I had to hide name written on the turret...

tank1.jpg

Though never deployed in battle, this tank did see service in the propaganda war. Captured documents after the war with Germany showed that they had worries about America's "Super Tank" and devoted time, effort, and money into the discovery of counter measures. At the time of concept and first production, this tank was considered the most powerful in the world. The M6, due to teething problems, would never see actual service in the American army though. Doubts existed as to it's mechanical reliability and there were fears that the tank was too heavy for actual operational duties. This was to be seen in the deployed German Tiger. The Tiger was a real battle winner when it wasn't:
1. broken down (Tigers had poor mechanical reliability and were hard to recover).
2. late to arrive because of low speed.
3. out of fuel.
4. able to get past rivers with bridges that could not support it's weight.

The M6 was in production at Baldwin Locomotive Works in December 1942 and was undergoing tests by the spring of 1943. Tests showed that the design was poor from the ergonomics point of view. Controls and weapons controls were awkward and inconvenient to operate. The M6 and M6A1 were identical except for the manufacture of the hulls. The M6 was cast and the M6A1 was welded.

The M6 and M6A1, with the exception of one M6A1 produced at General Motors Fisher Body Division, were all built by Baldwin. A total of 43 vehicles were built there (eight M6, twelve M6A1, twenty T1E1). At one point, 230 T1E1 were ordered, but this was cancelled as operational needs showed that commanders would rather have two 30 ton mediums than one 60 ton heavy tank. All important dimensions, like armor thickness and size were identical to the M6. The purpose of constructing a welded model was to test building this type for manufacturing plants that could not produce cast hulls.

A variation to the design was the M6A2E1 in which only one was constructed (bottom row, right photo). This tank was built to a specific need: to break tough defensive positions in Europe. The T5E1 105mm cannon was used and the turret ring increased from 69" to 80". The vehicle's height went up to 11' 5" as a result of the new turret. and the length (with the gun) went to just under 37'. A goal was to build 15 of these monsters and ship them quickly to the European theater. European commands considered this tank and promptly rejected it. The thought of a 154,000 pound vehicle that could only travel 18mph was considered too difficult to deploy.

One T1E1 survives today and can be seen at the museum at Aberdeen.

:) :cool:
 

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Dhampir said:
Personally, I have no clue. I had my dad take a look at it. He's spent the last 60 years studying military equipment. He says it looks most like a Firefly.

Tell your dad he needs to STUDY more and drink less. :p No, just joking. This isn't a fair test since the tank is experimental and was never really used. Also, Shermans are medium tanks yet this was considered a heavy. :)
 

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Uhmm...........That robotic machine gun on top and that wind sensor or whatever it is. What happens when the machinegun has to fire over the left side of the turret? Shoot it off?

The machine gun is a remotely controlled "Kord" 12.7mm AA HMG, from what I understand has it been moved back from its standard position over the commandor hacth, in order to give a better field of view. Problem is that this picture is the only one I have fund where you can seee both the AA HMG and the "wind sensor"(?), so it isnt clear if its the artists impression of their position or what...

But anyway will the wind sensor most likely end up being shoot to pieces like most other equipment on the top of the turret, when the commandor get carriedway with his little .50 cal machine, like bore evacuators, CITV's or personal equipment on the back of the Tank... :D



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1. Something Russian... Back of the turret looks like early T-72, as well as front of the hull (note "V" shaped bar on the hull - it was introduced in T-64/72 tanks - but T-64 was never sold outside USSR).


2. Looks like a Gepard to me... Alternatively, it's my favorite AA system, Tunguska (But I don't see missiles and radar antenna looks a bit different). Both systems got similar hull, so on this picture I can't be 100% sure which one is that.

gepard1s.jpg



Unless it's another prototype?
 

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the tracks look like those of early WW II french tanks to me....
 

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Copper Nicus said:
2. Looks like a Gepard to me... Alternatively, it's my favorite AA system, Tunguska (But I don't see missiles and radar antenna looks a bit different). Both systems got similar hull, so on this picture I can't be 100% sure which one is that.

gepard1s.jpg



Unless it's another prototype?


Bah When the Loara is finally fully completed it will make the Gepard look like a pea shooter :D . Seriously though the Loara and Gepard are pretty similar, except Loara is supposed to have better rader system, and since it uses a heavier chasis, better armour protection. The guns though are the same and the new turret looks exactly like that of the Gepard and the paint scheme is a bit familiar.
 

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Mr. Penquin wins the round. You may post next good sir. By any chance have you been on tanks before since you seem familar with true happenings on them. I.e. equipment and bore evacuators getting shot? :rofl:

BTW, the first pic WAS a T-72. The 'V' is a mud guard to flow water or mud away from the driver as they go through mud holes.
 

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Nope I am only a Artillery surveyor by trade, but I have a family member who have spendt sometime rumbling around in a Leo1A5 DK, down in Bosina. Knows all the BS-stories from his fellow US Tankers, that he met down there, Tanker always seems to have some good stories about how their officers screw up...

No the closest I ever have been to a Tank, was when I tried to ride on top of one of these...

centurionmkv.jpg


If anyone can guess what it is... ;)



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Copper Nicus said:
It's centurion mk V (jpg) :D

First rule of "what is this?" game is to change the name of file. ;)

I like to put a 'cheater' or something offensive as a title. No one will say anything 'cause thats admitting they looked. :)