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Yes, because not only do they have the name Macedonia, but are also claiming what is technically Greek cultural heritage (Alexander the Great mostly) as their own.
Technically, Alexander the Great was Macedonian (ancient, not modern), which were considered by ancient Greeks as dirty barbarians, not true Hellenes (thou their languages were very close).
Anyway, this conflict is not about a name, but about mutual territorial claims. Both sides try to find support from history.
 

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Technically, Alexander the Great was Macedonian (ancient, not modern), which were considered by ancient Greeks as dirty barbarians, not true Hellenes (thou their languages were very close).
Anyway, this conflict is not about a name, but about mutual territorial claims. Both sides try to find support from history.
It's your usual, typical, Balkan clusterf**k. :rolleyes:
 

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.....It'd be like if the US threw a fit at Canada because they call it "British Columbia" when it is neither British nor Colombian. I say kick Canada out of the UN until they officially change it to West Hoosierlandia.
Actually Canada is "British" (which is a made up term for all the people who are subjects of the English Monarch). They are subjects of the Queen of England and so are Australia and New Zealand.
 

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Them macedonians REALLY like to steal stuff from other cultures histories (at one point they claimed that Cleopatra (one of the many) was a macedonian and that Barack Obama is one too).
 

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Technically, Alexander the Great was Macedonian (ancient, not modern), which were considered by ancient Greeks as dirty barbarians, not true Hellenes (thou their languages were very close).
Anyway, this conflict is not about a name, but about mutual territorial claims. Both sides try to find support from history.
Almost all of 'classical Macedonia' is in modern Greece and most of FYR Macedonia is in what the Greeks would have considered Paeonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonia_(kingdom)). So I think part of it is the Greeks being like... "wtf guys find your own name."
 

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Them macedonians REALLY like to steal stuff from other cultures histories (at one point they claimed that Cleopatra (one of the many) was a macedonian and that Barack Obama is one too).
Cleopatra actually was "Macedonian"(Ptolemy). The real Macedonian though, not Slavic. Just like Alexander the Great.
 

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Them macedonians REALLY like to steal stuff from other cultures histories (at one point they claimed that Cleopatra (one of the many) was a macedonian and that Barack Obama is one too).
Funny thing is that modern Greeks also have very little to do with ancient Greeks, yet they consider themselves as rightful descendants. Sure, modern Macedonians have no connections with ancient ones.....
 

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Actually Canada is "British" (which is a made up term for all the people who are subjects of the English Monarch). They are subjects of the Queen of England and so are Australia and New Zealand.

...what? Canada isn't "British", and "British" isn't a made-up term. "British" refers to inhabitants of the island of Great Britain (people in England, Scotland and Wales) and their descendants (so the Protestant settlers of Northern Ireland who still recognise their British descent as an important aspect of their identity; ditto for the Falklands, Gibraltar, etc.). Canada is the subject of the Queen of Canada, and Australia is subject to the Queen of Australia, and so on. All of these monarchies are separate titles, and have been since the Statue of Westminster and accompanying laws in 1931; they just happen to be in personal union. Neither of them ranks above the other.
 

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Ah but the current Macedonians ARE the real ones XD. That was my point, they don't see the difference between ancient macedonians and bulgaro-slavo-thraci-turko-w/e went near us macedonians.
Aww, I know what you meant. Sorry.
 

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Btw, there are native Slavic words for "emperor". Albeit of a later era.

Russian autocracy was called 'samoderjavie' in Russian. Thus, the emperors held the title "Samoderjets".

Another good word is 'Gosudar'. That's how the Tsar was usually reffered to.


Is that a real royal house in game?

Yup, it's supposed to represent the tribe of Slovene, the ones that established Novgorod and invited the varangians. In the game this dynasty is the Slavic vasslas of Holmgardr.


Cyrillic aren't even letters this goes to show that those countries are full of weirdos and should be disqualified from further discussion :D

Latin script: Szczeczyn
Cyrilic script: Щецын (or Щетинь, if we actually translate)

'Nuff said :p Cyrillic stronk.
 

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Btw, there are native Slavic words for "emperor". Albeit of a later era.

Russian autocracy was called 'samoderjavie' in Russian. Thus, the emperors held the title "Samoderjets".

Another good word is 'Gosudar'. That's how the Tsar was usually reffered to.




Yup, it's supposed to represent the tribe of Slovene, the ones that established Novgorod and invited the varangians. In the game this dynasty is the Slavic vasslas of Holmgardr.




Latin script: Szczeczyn
Cyrilic script: Щецын (or Щетинь, if we actually translate)

'Nuff said :p Cyrillic stronk.
The best part about living in Serbia is learning both Latin and Cyrillic. :cool:
In fact, that could be the only good thing about living in Serbia. :p
 

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Well, a Tsar is the lord of a Tsardom is he not?

No, it is the other way around. Tsardom is the possession of the Tsar.

IRC, many Slavic princes are refered as Gosudar by their subject, so I feel the word is not prestigious enough for a Pan-Slavic ruler.
 

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The best part about living in Serbia is learning both Latin and Cyrillic. :cool:
In fact, that could be the only good thing about living in Serbia. :p

But then again, you get madness like this, eh?

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Slavs cannot into unified Latin script.

You guys shouldn't give up Cyrillic. It looks unique and fits Slavic phonetics perfectly.

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No, it is the other way around. Tsardom is the possession of the Tsar.

IRC, many Slavic princes are refered as Gosudar by their subject, so I feel the word is not prestigious enough for a Pan-Slavic ruler.

Dunno, I think "Государь Славян" sounds very dignified and prestigeous and flat out badass.