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Italy, definitely.. There are a lot of different choices you can make for your war plans, you have a competent army (as long as you're not comparing it to Germany), a good-sized navy, and a decent air force at the start. You get exposed to all aspects of the game that way, and you start off already in a nice little easy war you can win.
 

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A Trans-Tasman war with Australia would be a great start to understanding naval superiority, long range bombing and building the largest invasion fleet the world has ever seen New Zealand have! :p
 

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Hi, first of all: Awesome therad and thank you for the input, everyone. I have HOI 3 and had 2 as well, but only really played a few hours. I thought about using Brazil (and Italy since it is the tutorial nation)
Problem with Brazil was for me, that I got attacked by the USA, when I attacked more than 2 nations in South America. Was this normal, or just bad luck? Cause I don't really want to deal with the USA on my own in my first game again.

I took over pretty much the whole of South America as Brazil, USA only got involved after the war in Europe was over and they decided to prevent all wars in the Americas. They don't seem to worry to much about their independence guarantees. In fact they should probably take it a bit more seriously than they do, this may get patched I suppose. In my recorded Mexican series they are again more or less ignoring the fact I've been conquering countries they guaranteed the independence of but to be fair it's only around 1938 so I could of just gotten lucky in the previous game and so far in the current game.
 

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Germany. Allows you to see a lot of aspects of the game and is too strong to be easily beaten unless you go full Hitler

Might be a bit confusing for a new player to have to deal with all the stuff going on for Germany and all the important choices.

I suggest Italy too, but do try Germany when you get a hang of the basics - it's useally a lot of fun to play.
 

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I took over pretty much the whole of South America as Brazil, USA only got involved after the war in Europe was over and they decided to prevent all wars in the Americas. They don't seem to worry to much about their independence guarantees. In fact they should probably take it a bit more seriously than they do, this may get patched I suppose. In my recorded Mexican series they are again more or less ignoring the fact I've been conquering countries they guaranteed the independence of but to be fair it's only around 1938 so I could of just gotten lucky in the previous game and so far in the current game.
Thank you for the information. I Guess, I'll try Brazil as my second nation then, after I completed the Italian tutorial and get whiped out by France or the UK.
 

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I took over pretty much the whole of South America as Brazil, USA only got involved after the war in Europe was over and they decided to prevent all wars in the Americas. They don't seem to worry to much about their independence guarantees. In fact they should probably take it a bit more seriously than they do, this may get patched I suppose. In my recorded Mexican series they are again more or less ignoring the fact I've been conquering countries they guaranteed the independence of but to be fair it's only around 1938 so I could of just gotten lucky in the previous game and so far in the current game.
This was a design choice, to make south america interesting. If both the attacking and defending nation is guaranteed by the same person the nation wont intervene.
 
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Might be a bit confusing for a new player to have to deal with all the stuff going on for Germany and all the important choices.

I suggest Italy too, but do try Germany when you get a hang of the basics - it's useally a lot of fun to play.
You don't have to play "Historical warmonger Germany" though. If you keep your head down, move slow, it's a lot more difficult to fail with Germany than Italy. Italy has African problems and a navy to manage. A new player could easily be confused by Italy's naval game because UK defeats that navy very easily. On the other hand ofc Germany has a navy too but their focus is mostly submarines aka can send of missions to search & destroy and has to manage less. Not even mentioning that as Italy it's pretty easy to get fucked on land by a France if Germany doesn't do well enough and I've seen AI UK manage to successfully storm Italian shores and occupy the country. Also since Germany AI is out of your control(considering you chose Pact of Steel), you being a warmonger or not doesn't even matter, Germany can go full Hitler and you can get rekt by it, as Germany at least you know Italian AI won't just randomly declare wars on France/Poland/USSR
 
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First nations for playing as beginner shall be a very strong nations without restrictions from events.
I think the better choice is USA.
 
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my friend [paradox newbie, has played stellaris only] has his heart set on playing USA as his first nation, what nation should i [hoi3 veteran] play to give him the best game on the US? UK is one i had on my mind but double teaming the axis makes it all a bit TOO easy for me at least
 

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my friend [paradox newbie, has played stellaris only] has his heart set on playing USA as his first nation, what nation should i [hoi3 veteran] play to give him the best game on the US? UK is one i had on my mind but double teaming the axis makes it all a bit TOO easy for me at least
Play as Japan and he will understand his mistakes.
 
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My tradition since HOI1 has been to play the first game halfway through as Romania to learn the basic mechanics. I think they are about the right size. They are not so big as to be overwhelming and not so small as to have nearly nothing.

For HOI4, I have seen so much game play video already that I think I can just skip the learning game and go straight into being Germany.

my friend [paradox newbie, has played stellaris only] has his heart set on playing USA as his first nation, what nation should i [hoi3 veteran] play to give him the best game on the US? UK is one i had on my mind but double teaming the axis makes it all a bit TOO easy for me at least
If he is the US and you are essentially coaching him through his first game, perhaps you should be Canada so that your experience level does not tip the balance of power too much.
 

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You learn by getting into the heart of the action. You also learn by struggling and failing.

I'd recommend something like Italy where you are fighting on day one and can play a key role during the entire game. If you lose, so be it, you will learn a lot in the process, and you can take that new knowledge into your next game. If you just hide on the sidelines in Australia or Brazil (which could be interesting in a large MP game for sure), you're not learning as much as you would be in the thick of the action. Yes you may get defeated as Italy in your first game, especially as you will certainly play sub-optimally and make a lot of mistakes. So what? If you dominate during your first game then this is probably not going to be a game you come back to again and again. Better to aim too high than too low.
 

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Italian campaigns in '36 are a great way to reach far ... and fall further. It's very easy to lose track of manpower in the heat of things. Italy can be quite the participant by way of sending small volunteer corps hither and yon (Spanish Civil War comes to mind, great training for your fledgling 'armored' corps). You could continue to do so until the European war breaks loose in '39 by sending volunteers to help Japan against China too.

Depending on how pseudo-historical you want your first game to play, you'll want to use National Foci to set your foreign policy decisions. It keeps things simpler while giving you narrow time windows in which to set up your line forces.

I'd recommend your first single player game as Italy via the tutorial. There are quite a few differences from HOI3 and 2. Weather isn't on its own map, it's right there for all to see. I don't recommend leaving troops in Ethiopia - Libya is hard enough to supply as it is until you've sewn up the Med. Not an easy task for Italy on her own unless you time things rather tightly.

Perhaps this is a good way to learn the ropes with paradrops as well. Airdrop into Malta and the Suez while Italian Marines storm Gibraltar! (Granted, this last is a bloodbath waiting to happen if you've not cleared the path for your Marines, but still!)

Above all else, have fun with your very first game. As with so many things, there's nothing quite the same as your first crack at the grand stage of pseudo-WW2. Enjoy it, whatever your decision!
 

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I'd say Germany, is powerful enough to experience pretty much everything the game has to offer. You can't fail before you learned the game. It worked for me back in HoI1.