Being sainted

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Yeah, no. The whole 'Saint' thing doesn't fit in with Islamic traditions unless one uses the Sufis as the base which would be weird. The whole 'Saint' thing seems to be present in non-Arab Muslim communities that have blended their indigenous faith with Islam. The idea just doesn't fit. The Turks and Iranians can do it, but I find it hard to believe that Gulf Arabs, Egyptians or North African Arabs would.

Exactly. There is no such thing as "Sainthood" in Islam as far as in Christianity.
There some cultures though were several people get attention and recognition pretty similar to the sainthood. For example the turkish "türbe" and so on, when islamic terrorist early this year conquered Timbuktu they did not only destroy the library (where many works have been saved thanks to the german mission) but also many graves from islamic schoolars etc. which had a big reputation in the maghreb.

 

[Me_]

Also, did the latest DLC actually add some form of sainting and beatification into the game at all, or did it just add Papal Electors for the next Pope into the Catholic religion?

Sainthood was not added. There are quite a lot new things beyond the College of Cardinals, but sainthood is not one of them.
Also you should have just started a new thread or ask in the quick questions thread.

 

[NewbieOne]

While there's only one way to get 'the Saint', you can also get 'the Holy' and 'the Blessed', aside from 'the Confessor', 'the Apostle', 'the Monk'.

As for beatification (which was present in CK1), it wouldn't be bad to have, I guess. However, it could become a sensitive issue. I wouldn't like to see a form of bribery to beatify an ancestor. On the other hand, I've had kings who spent their entire adult lives in saddle, bleeding all over Palestine, Georgia and Armenia, assisting and relieving the oppressed Christians. I also had a guy whom the game considered too old to participate in tournaments at the same time he was defending too jihads and commanding the Templars and Hospitallers in practically every engagement while helping them move back and forth as necessary to cover the entire war theatre from the Delta to Syria with his Organiser trait (no Christmas home for grandpa for years).

 

[MorlanV]

I think achieving sainthood would be a great set of events, but it should be something you have to campaign for, not something you should get for free. It should be possible to lobby the Pope for getting one of your ancestors sainted or beatified if they had enough piety and good traits and you currently have enough piety and are in good standing with the Church. There was a pretty big campaign to get Edward the Confessor sainted, and it only happened a century or so after his death.

That would be amazing. To be honest I'm wondering why there is no mod of that yet. I'd make it myself but I only know how to do extremely basic events and making new kingdoms.

 

[NewbieOne]

While there's only one way to get 'the Saint', you can also get 'the Holy' and 'the Blessed', aside from 'the Confessor', 'the Apostle', 'the Monk'.

As for beatification (which was present in CK1), it wouldn't be bad to have, I guess. However, it could become a sensitive issue. I wouldn't like to see a form of bribery to beatify an ancestor. On the other hand, I've had kings who spent their entire adult lives in saddle, bleeding all over Palestine, Georgia and Armenia, assisting and relieving the oppressed Christians. I also had a guy whom the game considered too old to participate in tournaments at the same time he was defending too jihads and commanding the Templars and Hospitallers in practically every engagement while helping them move back and forth as necessary to cover the entire war theatre from the Delta to Syria with his Organiser trait (no Christmas home for grandpa for years).

Also, if the game handled it on the basis of Piety alone or similar factors, you could get Cruel Impaler Kinslayer saints, which wouldn't be ideal. On the other hand, banning character with bad traits would be unrealistic.

 

[Lwantssugar]

I too find it odd that in my Byzantine game in 1.07 as a duke I basically singlehandedly defended what was left of the empire, Anatolia and Armenia were lost to invasions, and the Fatimids invaded Greece itself. I nearly bankrupt myself to save the realm and I didn't even get a pat on the back from either the patriarch or the Emperor... So I had a lynch mob murder his children and then assassinated him