Being sainted

[LemonMonk]

I think that it should be possible for the Pope to saint characters, or himself. I've recently taken parts of the holy land [through religious war, not crusade], but because I am Finland, saw no point in keeping it, so I gave it up to the Pope. Surely I deserve something for that apart from a simple modifier. I should now be called Saint Ulv II of Finland, not King Ulv II of Finland. I've also almost made all of Scandinavia catholic too. I want my sainthood.

 

[kevindrosario]

I don't know too much about it, but doesn't it take an incredibly long time for the canonization process, and it usually doesn't happen until a really long time after the person is dead?

 

[rapidla01]

You Need to be dead for becoming a saint.

 

[LemonMonk]

You Need to be dead for becoming a saint.

Ah, thanks for the info.

 

[Wezqu]

Sainthood is not in the game. It was in the first Crusader Kings. If they create a dlc for papacy/catholic faith I think this might be something they might add in it.

 

[riknap]

Sainthood is not in the game. It was in the first Crusader Kings. If they create a dlc for papacy/catholic faith I think this might be something they might add in it.

and papal controller too!

 

[tolec]

If you mend the schism as a Byzantine Emperor you get the "the saint" nickname.

 

[ChildeR]

I should now be called Saint Ulv II of Finland, not King Ulv II of Finland. I've also almost made all of Scandinavia catholic too. I want my sainthood.

There's currently only one way to get "the Saint" as a nickname: be Orthodox and mend the schism. If you think you really deserve it, type "nickname nick_the_saint" in the console.

 

[Goodfortune99]

You Need to be dead for becoming a saint.

I don't think you have to be dead.

 

[ChildeR]

I don't think you have to be dead.

You do in Catholic and Orthodox religions. In fact you have to be not just dead but in heaven. Other religions may disagree.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

You do in Catholic and Orthodox religions. In fact you have to be not just dead but in heaven. Other religions may disagree.

edit- ninja'd
Shoot I was typing essentially what ChildeR posted.

Here is a link with more info.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

You do in Catholic and Orthodox religions. In fact you have to be not just dead but in heaven. Other religions may disagree.

Essentially this. In Catholicism, sainthood is the Church's way of saying "not only was this guy good, he was so good I am totally sure and without shadow of a doubt that he is in Heaven right now". That's kind of why it takes centuries nowadays; there have to be three miracles attributed to the saints intervention in heaven, and such things.

 

[Jester]

Sainthood

One more thing that was in Crusader Kings 1, that didn't make it in to CK2.

Very Odd

 

[sw2413]

for stages of becoming a saint Servant of God, Venerable, Blessed and Saint = the canonization procedure.
i guess there making the game more real by taking it out of ck2

 

[ziamatt]

I don't think you have to be dead.

Depends on what you mean by "saint".
The canonization process that the Catholic church follows for creating Saints requires two post-humous miracles associated with the candidate, so they have to be dead. Even after that it's a long, slow process that can take centuries until a dead Catholic is considered as a candidate for Sainthood. Well, for beatification and then Sainthood. If implemented jt would basically mean the Pope randomly declaring Sainthood for people who have been dead for centuries. Not that this is an at all accurate portrayal of the canonization process, but it's just the best the game can manage given the limited scope of the Papacy that is modeled. All in all it would this actually add anything to the game?

On the other hand "saint" can also be used to refer to anyone of unusual piety. In the Bible saint refers to all good Christians, rather than the formal Saints produced by canonization. However there are already piety-based traits, nicknames, and boons modeled in the game, so this is already present. Go chase down those if you really care about them.

 

[Tempestra]

I'm pretty sure there were some "living Saints" during the medieval era, but the process of sanctification and beautification wasn't nearly as formalised as it is now.

(A lot of the more commonly known Saints, for instant Saint George or Saint Andrew or Saint James, never went through any formal sanctification process)

 

[sw2413]

I'm pretty sure there were some "living Saints" during the medieval era, but the process of sanctification and beautification wasn't nearly as formalised as it is now.

(A lot of the more commonly known Saints, for instant Saint George or Saint Andrew or Saint James, never went through any formal sanctification process)

i beloive Henry II, Holy Roman Emperor,Louis IX of France,and Saint Stephen I King of Hungary are the only well known kings i can think of from the stop of my head that was sainted while still alive

 

[kevindrosario]

the process of beautification wasn't nearly as formalised as it is now.

Beautification is quite easy. You just need good makeup :rofl:

 

[unmerged(398932)]

The terms for 'sainted' are 'beatification' and 'canonization', though the distinction only arose later in the game's timeframe. Canonization of saints (literally, to make their sainthood 'canon') was reserved specifically for the papacy around the thirteenth century. A person could only be canonized (or beatified) after death, however this did not mean they could not be regarded as a saint during life. However to be certain of a person's sainthood it was necessary to know that they would die uncorrupt, and so it was necessary to wait until they were dead before making their sainthood official. It was believed the Devil or the Antichrist would present himself as a saint (using witchcraft to create 'miracles', etc), so total, uncautious veneration of a saint before his sanctity was confirmed was considered potentially damning.

 

[Elfryc]

Sainthood is not in the game. It was in the first Crusader Kings. If they create a dlc for papacy/catholic faith I think this might be something they might add in it.

Yes, the good old time when your forefather was a saint! But this is linked to the following quote, so I'll answer to the two:

and papal controller too!

When studying in university, I learned there was clearly a political aspect to canonization, which was used as much as possible by every noble family in Middle Ages: every noble family tried to have a saint amongst her forefathers, because this was a great source of prestige (didn't I saw that word in CK2? ). No need to explain what the use was for this prestige: alliances, marriages, clerical jobs (bishops, abbots, canons and so on, so much more jobs for the family as well as consequent revenues).

And families put the Church in constant pressure to have a saint reckoned amongst them: you could then found a monastery, which would prey for the saving of their souls... and evidently receive estates, lands, villages, treasures and other valuable goods which could be managed by a secular member from this same family (the 'advocati', something like 'defender' or 'lawyer'). This was clearly a way to use Church wealth to the benefit of the family, for their own use, considered as a payment for their services.
The situation was very different, following places and periods, but would be so much interesting within a Clerical DLC.

You do in Catholic and Orthodox religions. In fact you have to be not just dead but in heaven. Other religions may disagree.

Just a question, not sure about the response: is it the same with islam? For what I know, there are:
- imams, which are considered as doctors of the laws, very pious and so on, and so receive the mission to guide the muslim community to the salute;
- some real important people, considered as saints without the term. I know there are Shiit saints (others than Ali, Husayn, Hasan and others amongst the most known), revered by Iranians in Syria (in ar-Raqqa, for example); I know also the case of Mehmet II, the Turkish sultan who conquered Constantinopolis. I saw his tomb last year in Istanbul, and have been deeply impressed by the devotion of the Turkish people towards him. Something like a saint, I believe, even if this word is not officialy used in Muslim word.
If anybody has more information about this question...

So: I think all of these aspect would be great within CK2, in a way or another. But seems the disappearance of saints from CK1 to 2 may be a sign something will be done about this.