It would be nice to have an event that enables you to have the first firearms infantry type after you reach a certain land technology
Beginning of firearms
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Sorry? You mean, like, if you advance fastest in land tech, you get an event saying that you have the first organized firearm units or something? Or was this supposed to be in the CK2 section? 'Cause, yeah, EU3's always had gun-armed troops after a certain tech level.
Nonono, I get what he means. At land tech 18, Fire modifiers increase to 0.02 (Inf) 0 (Cav) 1 (Art), the sprites change, and you can retrain your troops as Tercio, Mauritian, or Free Shooter Infantry. This can fly over someone's head in a way that YOU ARE NOW USING ORGANIZED FIREARM UNITS! YOU ARE THE FIRST IN EUROPE TO DO SO! can not.
A good idea, for flavor.
A good idea, for flavor.
Small flavour events like that wouldn't hurt. Kind of like the things that popped up in medieval II total war telling you how the mill was invented, or some alchemy book or whatever. But that they be triggered if countries reach a certain tech level or something ofc, not just passing of time.
One of the things I miss from EU2 was events talking about real history. Those didn't fit in EU3, and they probibly won't fit well into EU4 either, however technology based events do fit, and fill the same niche.
If you don't read them (or you have seen them 20 times before) then they are mostly harmless, but if you are interested in that sort of thing then they are a cheap way of really adding to the game's enjoyment.
If you don't read them (or you have seen them 20 times before) then they are mostly harmless, but if you are interested in that sort of thing then they are a cheap way of really adding to the game's enjoyment.
China would start with it.It would be nice to have an event that enables you to have the first firearms infantry type after you reach a certain land technology
China starts with "Asian Longspear Infantry", "Asian Longbow", and "East Asian Spearman". Firearms infantry type doesn't mean that the device to propel metal into someone's body using the energy expended by exploding gunpowder is invented, it means that they are good, accurate and reliable enough so that at least most people in a troop formation uses one. As far as I know, in the Imjin War (late 1500s), only the Japanese used (Portugese) firearms, though the Koreans and Chinese did have cannons.
In real life a full tenth of the infantry was used firearms as their primary weapons, while that doesn't sound like a lot it is considering Hongwu had an army nearly two million soldiers. The Chinese used anti personnel artillery pretty much all the time, before game start the ships were being armed with cannons and handguns.
Not really, Tercio formations have guns in game but while late Tercios were mostly made up of gunners early ones might be less than 10% gunners.
15th century China isn't the medieval looking China you see in Hong Kong period dramas, that's more 5th century or even pre-Christian China.
Regardless, at certain milestones, it would be nice to get a historical popup giving you a small history lesson, and maybe an optional Wikipedia link if you want to learn more. For instance, when I pass the "enclosure" decision, there should be a little link to the enclosures wiki page.
One of the disadvantages of EU3 compared to EU2 was that it was very easy to play EU3 and gain no real knowledge of the events that took place during this time period. While I still think sticking to the sandbox approach is best gameplay wise, having flavor text about the real history would still be great. For instance, if you round the cape of good hope, you might get a pop up detailing how the Portuguese rounded the cape, even though you're currently playing as the English.
One of the disadvantages of EU3 compared to EU2 was that it was very easy to play EU3 and gain no real knowledge of the events that took place during this time period. While I still think sticking to the sandbox approach is best gameplay wise, having flavor text about the real history would still be great. For instance, if you round the cape of good hope, you might get a pop up detailing how the Portuguese rounded the cape, even though you're currently playing as the English.
Yeah, firearms were used pretty widely in the Imjin war, by all sides. Chinese used various types of artillery often, the Koreans had modern-ish ships fully armed with cannons. The Japanese had the more advanced arquebus while the Chinese and Koreans were using matchlocks. If someone invades you with guns it's not going take you very long to get your hands on one and learn how to remake it. It's not like they were that hard to make. That's how technology spreads. One of my complaints with the tech system in the EU series. Asia was still a very competitive place in the 15th century.
Just as well the Japanese use of firearms was probably not as successful as their organization, tactics, moral, and melee expertise. Often, a culture not using firearms wasn't due to a lack of the ability to acquire them, it was simply that they weren't seen as all that effective until later on.
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When Japan invaded Korea, around 25% of the troops were using firearms, a number comparable to european formations of that time (which were still mostly pike and shot)
I love it! There was a 'Japan Discovered!' event in EU3 that was something along these lines, but had very little text. In EU3 you can learn about some stuff because of nation-specific decisions (i.e. Mughals have a tolerance decision, Catholics/England have an event to break from the church, the Dutch East India company, etc.) though I do agree that expanding on this would be a great improvement on the game. I really like the proposal as described in the quoted text.
EDIT: I wrote Dutch Easy India company.
I would love more flavor events, of course. One thing that always bugged me a bit was that the invention of the printing press, one of the key inventions of the era, hardly had any presence.
The proposed "discovery of Cape Hope" I think is a nice example of contextual flavor text. More of that is always a good thing!
The proposed "discovery of Cape Hope" I think is a nice example of contextual flavor text. More of that is always a good thing!
Its not about events that have to change something about game. Its about events, that will tell you any real history.
I suggested that several times. Eg. as addition to normal events: You get TSC (Tribal something something, help me guys!) and flavour event could pop, where text about some historic TSC would explain some history (there could be several of these texts and chosed by at random with weight according to how infrequent that event poped before).
I suggested that several times. Eg. as addition to normal events: You get TSC (Tribal something something, help me guys!) and flavour event could pop, where text about some historic TSC would explain some history (there could be several of these texts and chosed by at random with weight according to how infrequent that event poped before).
As far as I know that wasn't a real standing army, but more a militia or reserve force. 10% of an army equipped with impractical firearms, whilst perhaps 40% was equipped with lances, doesn't make it an army based on firearms, does it?