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Well, unless we are to assume that the Skyrim writers are simply careless, both Sanguine and Sheogorath are able to physically enter Mundus and chat with the Dragonborn in person, which would seem to be an utter violation of the whole point of the Dragonfires then. After all, Akatosh's actions with the last of the Septims allegedly sealed the marble jaws of Oblivion for good, 200 years beforehand.

Sheogorath didn't physically enter Mundus, he just entered the mind of an dead emperor. But I agree its strange with Sanguine, its strange. Answer is still most likely that they were careless
 

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Or he might have become largely mundane. I don't recall their being much evidence that he used a notable amount of his powers during your bender with him. It's possible that he could enter, but lost most/all of his powers while doing so, which might work. Or he might of been summoned by unseen cultists, and not entered on his own, which might combine with the above (It might be possible for a Prince to be summoned still, but they have almost no power).

And there's always a possibility that he entered Mundus in the same sort of that Boethiah, Hermaeus Mora, Hircine, Barbas and Meridia do.
 

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Well, unless we are to assume that the Skyrim writers are simply careless, both Sanguine and Sheogorath are able to physically enter Mundus and chat with the Dragonborn in person, which would seem to be an utter violation of the whole point of the Dragonfires then. After all, Akatosh's actions with the last of the Septims allegedly sealed the marble jaws of Oblivion for good, 200 years beforehand.

Well, theres 'entering the mortal world to have a chat' and 'using your godlike powers to meddle in the affairs of mortals', the Dragonfires were mainly designed to stop the latter. Likewise in the events of Morrowind, theres a solid difference between Azura having a chat with the Nerevarine, and being able to stop the Ministry of Truth from plummeting into Vvardenfell.
 

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At which point we're now even more heavily mired in speculation than we were at the start, which gets us precisely nowhere.
 

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That's gameplay abstraction. The Legions are always elsewhere, so they don't get in the way of your exploration.

I know the Forts part is mostly an abstraction, but the lack of sufficient Legions is known, some NPCs speak about it. I believe some Counts complain about it too when you ask them to send reinforcements to Bruma.
 

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With regards to becoming the Neravarine, the character has to be born and raised outside of Morrowind, and must have one known parent and one unknown parent. Then the event sequence triggers.
 

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Looking back at the Morrowind intro, it seems unlikely that any player characters would be able to become the Neravarine, since it states "a prisoner born on a certain day to uncertain parents was sent." This would make it pretty much impossible for the Neravarine to be a noble, since being a noble means you have a very certain parentage and lineage.
 

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Looking back at the Morrowind intro, it seems unlikely that any player characters would be able to become the Neravarine, since it states "a prisoner born on a certain day to uncertain parents was sent." This would make it pretty much impossible for the Neravarine to be a noble, since being a noble means you have a very certain parentage and lineage.

That's why I was saying they had to have at least one unknown parent, or maybe they need to be a bastard.
 

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Well, theres 'entering the mortal world to have a chat' and 'using your godlike powers to meddle in the affairs of mortals', the Dragonfires were mainly designed to stop the latter. Likewise in the events of Morrowind, theres a solid difference between Azura having a chat with the Nerevarine, and being able to stop the Ministry of Truth from plummeting into Vvardenfell.
And this would follow the gameplay in Daggerfall. Since you can summon the Daedric princes in that game, but they don't have much power to do anything other than give you quests and artifacts.
 

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The Dragonfires only seem to stop invasions from Oblivion then stopping the Prince's taking avatars I.e events of Bloodmoon and Sanguine's quest in Skyrim.
Also the Dragon-born seems to refer to the Empire of Tamriel since it's symbol is a Dragon and it's not written as Dragonborn so the Formation of the Empire of Tamriel would be a requirement & and prisoner(Beth and their prisoner fetish).
 

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The Dragonfires only seem to stop invasions from Oblivion then stopping the Prince's taking avatars I.e events of Bloodmoon and Sanguine's quest in Skyrim.
Also the Dragon-born seems to refer to the Empire of Tamriel since it's symbol is a Dragon and it's not written as Dragonborn so the Formation of the Empire of Tamriel would be a requirement & and prisoner(Beth and their prisoner fetish).

In hindsight, the term dragonborn could very well mean the nerevarine was specifically a dragonborn ala skyrim. But they never killed any dragons (least not IG) so we don't know if dragonborn meant born in the empire or literally dragonborn. The prophecies are actually pretty darn vague, and passed through a multitude of generations.

The dragonfires/towers do very much prevent a daedric prince from walking around swinging his deific cock at his full power. But, in all things, there are exceptions. The Bloodmoon is a notably special occasion. Sanguine didn't seem to do anything other then get you drunk too.
 

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In hindsight, the term dragonborn could very well mean the nerevarine was specifically a dragonborn ala skyrim. But they never killed any dragons (least not IG) so we don't know if dragonborn meant born in the empire or literally dragonborn. The prophecies are actually pretty darn vague, and passed through a multitude of generations.
considering you were chosen by Azura with little contact with the Aedra(outside of the Imperial Cult Avatars) while the Third Empire and it's Dragon Symbol it's more likely that the Dragon-born refers to the Septim's(but then that would be Dragonblood) Empire
prophecy's are mainly vague so saying dragon-born is a tad obvious to people who know about Akatosh giving out dragon souls to his chosen ones but since Tiber(1/3 of Talos) chose the Dragon symbol for the Third Empire that complicates things. the prophecy goes.(below)
From seventh sign of eleventh generation,
Neither Hound nor Guar, nor Seed nor Harrow,
But Dragon-born and far-star-marked,
Outlander Incarnate beneath Red Mountain,
Blessed Guest counters seven curses,
Star-blessed hand wields thrice-cursed blade,
To reap the harvest of the unmourned house.
 

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considering you were chosen by Azura with little contact with the Aedra(outside of the Imperial Cult Avatars) while the Third Empire and it's Dragon Symbol it's more likely that the Dragon-born refers to the Septim's(but then that would be Dragonblood) Empire
prophecy's are mainly vague so saying dragon-born is a tad obvious to people who know about Akatosh giving out dragon souls to his chosen ones but since Tiber(1/3 of Talos) chose the Dragon symbol for the Third Empire that complicates things. the prophecy goes.(below)
From seventh sign of eleventh generation,
Neither Hound nor Guar, nor Seed nor Harrow,
But Dragon-born and far-star-marked,
Outlander Incarnate beneath Red Mountain,
Blessed Guest counters seven curses,
Star-blessed hand wields thrice-cursed blade,
To reap the harvest of the unmourned house.

Dragonborn and farstar marked could refer to both aedra and azura. The prophecy is vague and, again, Beth doesn't tell you either way.

I highly doubt most people know dragonborn means literally soul of a dragon.
 

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Then again, there in the whole concept of 'mantling', where you become the Nerevarine simply because you appear to be them and act like them.
 

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Dragonborn and farstar marked could refer to both aedra and azura. The prophecy is vague and, again, Beth doesn't tell you either way.

I highly doubt most people know dragonborn means literally soul of a dragon.
Depends on who writ the prophecy and their knowledge on the word Dragonborn since i doubt anyone on Morrowind gives a damn about another religions chosen one and may have taken it from a banner then an actual known Dragonborn(even tho Mankar Cameron was a Dragonborn and this comes up in his book "Offering myself to that daybreak allowed the girdle of grace to contain me. When my voice returned, it spoke with another tongue. After three nights I could speak fire." aside from him wearing the Amulet of Kings before going through the portal to paradise.)
 

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The Akaviri potentate was still the second empire, much like the Mede Dynasty is still the third empire. Given, Mede can only prolong the inevitable, and its possible the inevitable may come with the death of the emperor in Skyrim.

I'm more optimistic about the Medes. The members of the dynasty we've seen so far are populistic, wise, and skilled commanders (and soldiers). I'm convinced that it's not altogether impossible for them to overcome the Dominion. After all, they control roughly the same land (3 provinces each, if we are to count Skyrim), and Morrowind doesn't seem to be on such unfriendly terms with the Empire anymore, and would probably help against the Dominion (since they are described in Skyrim as having "no love" for the Thalmor).

And given Titus Mede II's apparent indifference to his own assassination (although he seems to feel it's somewhat unjust), I doubt he's died without an heir. I imagine there's some prince or other we've not heard of.