I have heard of Spain and other nations becoming the HRE controller before, and while I have never seen it in one of my games I was wondering how it is done.
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Becoming HRE - outside of Germany
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Often two is enough, but 3 is almost guaranteed, still, vassalizing all of them in the end is a good idea. The methods have changed, Spain at least has something to gain if the HRE doesn't break their way (because Isabel ascends the throne), they can get the Inheritance by breaking Austria and picking up a few electors in that war.
For other people it can be a bit trickier. You used to be able to give them loans for that far away CB, now it's getting into alliances, enforcing peace and other such nonsense if you don't border them.
You can easily do it in one war if you are strong. For example in my current game Austria is allied with 4 electors & I believe 3 are small enough to vassalize. So you declare war against Austria, beat them (not that easy!) & occupy everything. Then separate peace with all the electors one by one for vassalization. Done! Probably going to do it in my current game as France after I've conquered all of Spain. Dismantling the HRE is such a pain in the arse, may as well just become emperor & revoke!
Yes, that's a very, very long war though, so be prepared, just get some decent allies to hold off anyone declaring war on you before you start, normally Castile and Aragon along with Denmark is good enough, for France I mean.
The first war is a lot easier than the resulting coalition war in my experience. This will include all of the HRE minors and maybe Poland/Denmark since Bberg is usually one of the target Electors.
Make sure you've prepared for such a move (ally France).
I am defeating Castile / Portugal before doing it which is easy peazy for France. This is my first time playing France, I gotta say they are obscenely strong compared to other nations.
HRE minors are weak besides the ones that you will attack in the first war mostly. I am going to try to ally Poland since that will reduce AE against them & they're pretty much the only nation that can do anything. Saying that Poland isn't even in a PU with Lithuania so perhaps not required, they are weaker than the latter. I can't see them destroying me on home soil anyway as France really.
Debatable, as having elector vassals will sap your IA. It's so easy to churn out IA now that this shouldn't be much of a problem in practice in 1.8, but it might become a problem if the devs decide to tighten things up later.
Easiest option: Ally Austria, declare (no-cb if necessary) on East Frisia, naming everyone co-belligerent. Give Austria every territory except Saxony; vassalize Saxony. Declare war on Austria with giant coalition, vassalize some more electors, release Styria.
am I missing something?
why would you ever want to become emperor with elector vassals in the empire?
why would you ever want to revoke when theres like nothing to revoke (SP 1.8), as austria seems to get 2-3 reforms max by the 17th century
Is it really that easy just to be outside of HRE and become and inherit all of it? Otherwise I see no point... plz explain
why would you ever want to become emperor with elector vassals in the empire?
why would you ever want to revoke when theres like nothing to revoke (SP 1.8), as austria seems to get 2-3 reforms max by the 17th century
Is it really that easy just to be outside of HRE and become and inherit all of it? Otherwise I see no point... plz explain
Annex elector vassals and appoint new electors to help you boost up imperial authority. Also, even three reforms are nice buffs to the Emperor and I have seen games where Austria and Bohemia successfully got all the reforms done.
When people say "Revoke" they mean "Implement the second to last reform". I never saw how that was confusing terminology before now
As for why you would want to become Emperor, because it's a very powerful position if you push reforms through.
When people say "Revoke" they mean "Implement the second to last reform". I never saw how that was confusing terminology before now
As for why you would want to become Emperor, because it's a very powerful position if you push reforms through.
It's pretty great for Castile/Spain as normally by the time Isabel kicks the bucket and I get the HRE I have many provinces to add and can chain it down all the way to the Iberian Peninsula.