Be vewwy vewwy quiet..We're hunting VFC's

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Ok, so I dont want to clutter the crash report thread, but I was hoping that maybe if we had a discussion thread something might fall out of the sky and help us figure out what's causing these..

So..what do we know about them so far...

1. Seems to only happen when saving. Previously it was thought that it only occured on autosave, but the April 8th patch crashes on the manual save as well. Has anyone had a VFC during regular play (not while saving and not the regular crusaders.exe crash)?

2. Extremely hard to reproduce. In fact, I dont know if anyone has ever reproduced it.

3. ??

Not a lot to go on...My limited knowledge of the game's inner workings hampers the ability to hypothesize on the problem so anything I say is most likely totally invalid.

The truncated save files seem to indicate the crash is happening while processing the province block, and I cant help but wonder if maybe it's something with a bad character (or even no characters) in the current or next province being processed. Probably a wild goose chase, so feel free to lock and/or delete this thread if it's being unproductive.

 

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More goose feathers

So I decided to try and use the truncated file I happen to have handy and compare it to a game that was restarted from the last available save of the game that generated the VFC. The restarted game was saved near the same point as the VFC crash in an attempt to reproduce the crash and see what (if anything) I may be able to decipher.

*random babbling follows*

The VFC file truncates at the usual spot

    capital = { 0 1 0 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 10 0 12 0 14 15 0 0 0 19 0 0 0 0 24 0 0 0 28 0 0 31 0 33 34 0 0 37 0 0 0 0 0 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 54 0 0 0 0 0 60 0 0 0 0 0 66 0 68 0 0 0 0 0 74 75 0 77 0 79 0 0 80 83 84 0 86 87 88 0 90 91 0 0 94 95 96 0 0 99 100 101 102 103 0 0 0 0 108 109 110 0 0 113 114 0 116 117 0 119 0 0 0 123 124 125 0 0 128 129 0 131 0 0 126 135 136 132 0 139 140 0 142 0 144 145 146 147 148 0 150 0 0 153 154 155 0 0 0 159 160 161 162 163 164 0 166 0 0 0 0 171 0 0 174 175 0 177 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 185 186 0 188 189 0 0 0 193 194 0 0 0 198 0 0 201 0 0 0 205 206 0 208 209 210 211 212 220 0 0 216 217 0 219 0 0 222 223 227 225 0 0 228 229 230 231 232 0 0 0 0 236 238 239 240 241 242 0 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 0 0 0 0 0 256 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 265 266 267 268 269 270 0 0 0 274 275 276 0 0 0 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 0 291 0 0 294 0 0 0 298 299 300 301 302 0 0 305 0 0 0 309 310 311 0 313 314 0 316 317 318 0 320 321 322 0 324 325 326 0 328 329 330 331 332 0 334 335 336 337 339 0 340 341 0 343 344 0 346 0 0 349 350 0 352 353 0 355 0 357 358 0 0 361 0 363 364 0 0 367 368 0 0 0 0 0 374 0 376 0 378 379 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 390 0 0 0 0 395 0 0 0 0 0 401 0 0 404 405 406 0 408 409 0 0 0 413 414 0 416 417 418 0 0 421 422 0 0 425 0 427 0 0 430 0 0 0 0 0 436 0 438 0 440 441 0 443 0 0 446 447 448 0 0 451 452 453 0 0 0 458 0 459 0 0 0 463 0 0 466 0 468 0 0 471 472 0 474 475 0 477 478 479 0 481 0 483 484 0 486 487 488 489 0 0 0 493 0 495 0 0 0 499 0 501 503 0 0 0 0 507 508 509 510 511 0 0 514 0 0 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 0 0 0 0 530 0 0 0 534 535 0 537 538 0 0 0 0 543 544 545 546 0 548 549 550 551 552 0 0 0 0 557 558 559 560 0 0 0 0 565 566 0 0 0 570 571 572 0 0 0 0 577 578 579 580 581 0 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 0 0 0 0 0 597 598 599 600 601 0 0 604 605 606 607 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 629 630 631 0 633 634 0 0 0 0 0 640 641 642 643 0 0 0 0 0 649 0 0 0 0 0 0 656 0 0 0 660 661 0 0 664 0 666 0 0 669 670 671 672 0 0 0 676 677 0 0 680 0 682 0 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 0 0 695 0 0 698 0 0 701 0 703 704 0 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 0 0 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 0 729 0 731 732 0 734 735 0 737 0 0 740 0 0 743 0 745 0 0 0 749 750 0 0 0 754 755 756 0 758 0 0 761 762 0 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 803 804 805 806 807 0 809 810 811 812 813 814 0 0 0 818 0 820 821 0 823 0 0 826 827 828 829 830 0 832 833 834 835 836 0 838 0 0 841 842 0 844 0 0 0 848 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 898 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 261 0 997 0 0 744 494 485 0 0 0 700 603 0 0 0 107 763 345 40 0 681 736 0 0 0 0 44 0 668 596 184 0 0 360 505 0 0 0 0 51 0 437 0 0 226 0 0 158 365 106 473 0 0 0 204 705 130 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 757 808 0 0 0 18 594 500 470 0 0 638 0 0 840 0 78 0 0 752 0 156 0 49 233 0 0 0 64 0 0 482 0 0 0 639 2 760 0 0 0 0 753 0 0 388 623 547 0 528 480 456 58 0 748 16 0 377 0 118 657 632 115 747 0 170 42 0 0 0 529 0 262 719 312 702 235 0 0 575 13 0 742 741 71 97 0 410 36 0 0 0 0 0 476 555 0 0 0 0 141 419 366 444 567 221 370 0 0 351 573 0 191 0 372 0 0 0 257 0 469 165 0 0 435 0 739 304 442 0 0 0 0 455 0 492 73 0 251 730 454 667 0 0 491 255 0 0 0 323 214 678 0 277 0 0 0 0 127 290 615 0 0 498 67 0 319 35 506 431 0 0 613 295 0 0 0 173 449 592 673 625 0 0 0 0 0 0 169 0 746 0 461 264 0 497 197 0 293 0 0 207 0 0 0 0 0 496 199 465 620 303 0 72 112 679 121 445 0 0 0 190 0 0 0 152 0 272 0 527 0 0 48 0 297 0 0 0 0 513 0 0 0 0 0 0 697 0 0 0 733 635 655 662 0 0 0 0 327 333 356 0 693 626 0 0 831 817 0 0 0 837 815 0 0 0 0 0 373 0 380 0 0 0 180 0 0 0 0 375 0 0 0 0 0 0 371 397 0 0 0 0 0 426 0 0 0 386 0 411 389 0 392 0 0 387 420 0 384 381 383 0 391 279 0 0 0 0 793 843 802 644 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 } 
    province = { 0 1 1100 3 4 5 6 7 8 1056 10 1119 12 1144 14 15 1119 1228 1069 19 1228 1228 1277 1277 24 1277 1277 1277 28 1277 1277 31 1277 33 34 1231 1152 37 1014 1014 1014 1130 1130 43 1022 1022 1296 1296 1296 1087 1087 1035 1063 1087 54 1063 1063 1063 1116 1116 60 1148 1148 1116 1092 1092 66 1228 68 1277 1148 1148 1277 1200 74 75 1080 77 1080 79 82 82 82 83 84 84 86 87 88 1182 90 91 1123 1080 94 95 96 1149 95 99 100 101 102 103 1045 1045 1045 1011 108 109 110 1052 1278 113 114 1126 116 117 1123 119 1182 1280 1280 123 124 125 134 1222 128 129 1052 131 137 1222 134 135 136 137 1278 139 140 1164 142 1164 144 145 146 147 148 1164 150 1164 1289 153 154 155 1085 1272 1043 159 160 161 162 163 164 1185 166 1348 1348 1252 1129 171 171 1241 174 175 1272 177 171 1129 1348 1185 1185 1185 1026 185 186 1043 188 189 1285 1176 1285 193 194 1026 1260 1260 198 1272 1272 201 1241 1050 1050 205 206 1265 208 209 210 211 212 213 1214 1164 216 217 1214 219 213 1169 222 223 224 225 1040 224 228 229 230 231 232 1088 1140 1140 237 237 238 239 240 241 242 0 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 1202 1202 1280 1280 1209 256 1182 1182 1182 1136 995 1136 1257 1257 265 266 267 268 269 270 1291 1291 1291 274 275 276 1217 1217 1387 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 1223 291 1223 1262 294 1237 1291 1298 298 299 300 301 302 1275 1191 305 1136 1136 1166 309 310 311 1138 313 314 1029 316 317 318 1230 320 321 322 1213 324 325 326 1322 328 329 330 331 332 1323 334 335 336 337 338 338 340 341 340 343 344 1013 346 1013 1013 349 350 1173 352 353 1213 355 1324 357 358 1029 1029 361 1037 363 364 1044 1166 367 368 1170 1170 1360 1178 1342 374 1353 376 1121 378 379 1344 1383 1383 1384 1382 1383 1371 1379 1109 1374 390 1386 1376 1109 405 395 401 1361 401 401 1236 401 405 405 404 405 406 1159 408 409 1151 1373 1151 413 414 1151 416 417 418 1165 1380 421 422 421 1165 425 1367 427 1113 1233 430 1233 1113 1188 1188 1188 436 1037 438 1037 440 441 1192 443 1167 1281 446 447 448 1242 1281 451 452 453 1204 1197 1115 457 457 459 1256 1256 1256 463

So just for giggles, I lined up the lines starting points and truncated the province values to match the capitals entry to see if there were any discrepancies or possible leads to follow. This is how it looks

    capital = {  0 1 0 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 10 0 12 0 14 15 0 0 0 19 0 0 0 0 24 0 0 0 28 0 0 31 0 33 34 0 0 37 0 0 0 0 0 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 54 0 0 0 0 0 60 0 0 0 0 0 66 0 68 0 0 0 0 0 74 75 0 77 0 79 0 0 80 83 84 0 86 87 88 0 90 91 0 0 94 95 96 0 0 99 100 101 102 103 0 0 0 0 108 109 110 0 0 113 114 0 116 117 0 119 0 0 0 123 124 125 0 0 128 129 0 131 0 0 126 135 136 132 0 139 140 0 142 0 144 145 146 147 148 0 150 0 0 153 154 155 0 0 0 159 160 161 162 163 164 0 166 0 0 0 0 171 0 0 174 175 0 177 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 185 186 0 188 189 0 0 0 193 194 0 0 0 198 0 0 201 0 0 0 205 206 0 208 209 210 211 212 220 0 0 216 217 0 219 0 0 222 223 227 225 0 0 228 229 230 231 232 0 0 0 0 236 238 239 240 241 242 0 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 0 0 0 0 0 256 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 265 266 267 268 269 270 0 0 0 274 275 276 0 0 0 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 0 291 0 0 294 0 0 0 298 299 300 301 302 0 0 305 0 0 0 309 310 311 0 313 314 0 316 317 318 0 320 321 322 0 324 325 326 0 328 329 330 331 332 0 334 335 336 337 339 0 340 341 0 343 344 0 346 0 0 349 350 0 352 353 0 355 0 357 358 0 0 361 0 363 364 0 0 367 368 0 0 0 0 0 374 0 376 0 378 379 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 390 0 0 0 0 395 0 0 0 0 0 401 0 0 404 405 406 0 408 409 0 0 0 413 414 0 416 417 418 0 0 421 422 0 0 425 0 427 0 0 430 0 0 0 0 0 436 0 438 0 440 441 0 443 0 0 446 447 448 0 0 451 452 453 0 0 0 458 0 459 0 0 0 463 0 0 466 0 468 0 0 471 472 0 474 475 0 477 478 479 0 481 0 483 484 0 486 487 488 489 0 0 0 493 0 495 0 0 0 499 0 501 503 0 0 0 0 507 508 509 510 511 0 0 514 0 0 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 0 0 0 0 530 0 0 0 534 535 0 537 538 0 0 0 0 543 544 545 546 0 548 549 550 551 552 0 0 0 0 557 558 559 560 0 0 0 0 565 566 0 0 0 570 571 572 0 0 0 0 577 578 579 580 581 0 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 0 0 0 0 0 597 598 599 600 601 0 0 604 605 606 607 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 629 630 631 0 633 634 0 0 0 0 0 640 641 642 643 0 0 0 0 0 649 0 0 0 0 0 0 656 0 0 0 660 661 0 0 664 0 666 0 0 669 670 671 672 0 0 0 676 677 0 0 680 0 682 0 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 0 0 695 0 0 698 0 0 701 0 703 704 0 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 0 0 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 0 729 0 731 732 0 734 735 0 737 0 0 740 0 0 743 0 745 0 0 0 749 750 0 0 0 754 755 756 0 758 0 0 761 762 0 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 803 804 805 806 807 0 809 810 811 812 813 814 0 0 0 818 0 820 821 0 823 0 0 826 827 828 829 830 0 832 833 834 835 836 0 838 0 0 841 842 0 844 0 0 0 848 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 898 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 261 0 997 0 0 744 494 485 0 0 0 700 603 0 0 0 107 763 345 40 0 681 736 0 0 0 0 44 0 668 596 184 0 0 360 505 0 0 0 0 51 0 437 0 0 226 0 0 158 365 106 473 0 0 0 204 705 130 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 757 808 0 0 0 18 594 500 470 0 0 638 0 0 840 0 78 0 0 752 0 156 0 49 233 0 0 0 64 0 0 482 0 0 0 639 2 760 0 0 0 0 753 0 0 388 623 547 0 528 480 456 58 0 748 16 0 377 0 118 657 632 115 747 0 170 42 0 0 0 529 0 262 719 312 702 235 0 0 575 13 0 742 741 71 97 0 410 36 0 0 0 0 0 476 555 0 0 0 0 141 419 366 444 567 221 370 0 0 351 573 0 191 0 372 0 0 0 257 0 469 165 0 0 435 0 739 304 442 0 0 0 0 455 0 492 73 0 251 730 454 667 0 0 491 255 0 0 0 323 214 678 0 277 0 0 0 0 127 290 615 0 0 498 67 0 319 35 506 431 0 0 613 295 0 0 0 173 449 592 673 625 0 0 0 0 0 0 169 0 746 0 461 264 0 497 197 0 293 0 0 207 0 0 0 0 0 496 199 465 620 303 0 72 112 679 121 445 0 0 0 190 0 0 0 152 0 272 0 527 0 0 48 0 297 0 0 0 0 513 0 0 0 0 0 0 697 0 0 0 733 635 655 662 0 0 0 0 327 333 356 0 693 626 0 0 831 817 0 0 0 837 815 0 0 0 0 0 373 0 380 0 0 0 180 0 0 0 0 375 0 0 0 0 0 0 371 397 0 0 0 0 0 426 0 0 0 386 0 411 389 0 392 0 0 387 420 0 384 381 383 0 391 279 0 0 0 0 793 843 802 644 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 } 
    province = { 0 1 0 3 4 5 6 7 8 1 10 1 12 1 14 15 1 1 1 19 1 1 1 1 24 1 1 1 28 1 1 31 1 33 34 1 1 37 1 1 1 1 1 43 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 54 1 1 1 1 1 60 1 1 1 1 1 66 1 68 1 1 1 1 1 74 75 1 77 1 79 8 8 82 83 84 8 86 87 88 1 90 91 1 1 94 95 96 1 9 99 100 101 102 103 1 1 1 1 108 109 110 1 1 113 114 1 116 117 1 119 1 1 1 123 124 125 1 1 128 129 1 131 1 1 134 135 136 137 1 139 140 1 142 1 144 145 146 147 148 1 150 1 1 153 154 155 1 1 1 159 160 161 162 163 164 1 166 1 1 1 1 171 1 1 174 175 1 177 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 185 186 1 188 189 1 1 1 193 194 1 1 1 198 1 1 201 1 1 1 205 206 1 208 209 210 211 212 213 1 1 216 217 1 219 2 1 222 223 224 225 1 2 228 229 230 231 232 1 1 1 2 237 238 239 240 241 242 0 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 1 1 1 1 1 256 1 1 1 1 9 1 1 1 265 266 267 268 269 270 1 1 1 274 275 276 1 1 1 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 1 291 1 1 294 1 1 1 298 299 300 301 302 1 1 305 1 1 1 309 310 311 1 313 314 1 316 317 318 1 320 321 322 1 324 325 326 1 328 329 330 331 332 1 334 335 336 337 338 3 340 341 3 343 344 1 346 1 1 349 350 1 352 353 1 355 1 357 358 1 1 361 1 363 364 1 1 367 368 1 1 1 1 1 374 1 376 1 378 379 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 390 1 1 1 4 395 4 1 4 4 1 401 4 4 404 405 406 1 408 409 1 1 1 413 414 1 416 417 418 1 1 421 422 4 1 425 1 427 1 1 430 1 1 1 1 1 436 1 438 1 440 441 1 443 1 1 446 447 448 1 1 451 452 453 1 1 1 457 4 459 1 1 1 463

There were a few discrepancies but probably normal from countries moving their captial province. For quick refence, these occured at (Capital values) 80, 126, 132, 220, 227, 236, and 339.

The file truncates at county 463 OR 466. However, I think the crash possibly occurred because of 466 as I reran the game from an earlier autosave and played until I saved at around the same point (was 2 days later than the original VFC crash). In the game that did NOT crash on save, county 466 no longer exists (it was now DCRO). In the game that does not crash, the province values following the truncated value in the crash would be 1273.

For Illustration, here is the regular version of these two lines from the noncrashing save.

    capital = { 0 1 0 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 10 11 12 0 14 15 0 0 0 19 0 0 0 0 24 0 0 0 28 0 0 0 0 33 34 0 0 37 0 0 0 0 0 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 60 0 0 0 0 0 66 0 68 0 0 0 0 0 74 75 0 77 0 79 0 0 80 83 84 0 86 87 88 0 90 91 0 0 94 95 96 0 0 99 100 101 102 103 0 0 0 0 108 109 110 0 0 113 114 115 116 117 0 119 0 0 0 123 124 125 0 0 128 129 0 131 0 0 126 135 136 132 0 139 140 0 142 0 144 145 146 147 148 0 150 0 0 153 154 155 0 0 0 159 160 161 162 163 164 0 166 0 0 0 0 171 0 0 174 0 0 177 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 185 186 0 188 189 0 0 0 193 194 0 0 0 198 0 0 201 0 203 0 205 206 0 208 209 210 211 212 220 0 0 216 217 0 219 0 0 222 223 227 225 0 0 228 229 230 231 232 0 0 0 0 236 238 239 240 241 242 0 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 0 0 0 0 0 256 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 265 266 267 268 269 270 0 0 0 274 275 276 0 0 0 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 0 291 0 0 294 0 0 0 298 299 300 301 302 0 0 305 0 0 0 309 310 311 0 313 314 0 316 317 318 0 320 321 322 0 324 325 326 0 328 329 330 331 332 0 334 335 336 337 339 0 340 341 0 343 344 0 346 0 0 349 350 0 352 353 0 355 0 357 358 0 0 361 0 363 364 0 0 367 368 0 0 0 0 0 374 0 376 0 378 379 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 390 0 0 0 403 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 404 405 406 0 408 409 0 0 0 413 414 0 416 417 418 0 0 421 422 0 0 425 0 427 0 0 430 0 0 0 0 0 436 0 438 0 440 441 0 443 0 0 446 447 448 0 0 451 452 453 0 0 0 458 0 459 0 0 0 463 0 0 0 0 468 0 0 471 472 0 474 475 0 477 478 479 0 481 0 483 484 0 486 487 488 489 0 0 0 493 0 495 0 0 0 499 0 501 503 0 0 0 0 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 0 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 0 0 0 0 530 0 0 0 534 535 0 537 538 0 0 0 542 543 544 545 546 0 548 549 550 551 552 0 0 0 0 557 558 559 560 0 0 0 0 565 566 0 0 0 570 571 572 0 0 0 0 577 578 579 580 581 0 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 0 0 0 0 0 597 598 599 600 601 0 0 604 605 606 607 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 629 630 631 0 633 634 0 0 0 0 0 640 641 642 643 0 0 0 0 0 649 0 0 0 0 0 0 656 0 0 0 660 661 0 0 664 0 666 0 0 669 670 671 672 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 680 0 682 0 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 0 0 695 0 0 698 0 0 701 0 703 704 0 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 0 0 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 0 729 0 731 732 0 734 735 0 737 0 0 740 0 0 743 0 745 0 0 0 749 750 0 0 0 754 755 756 0 758 0 0 761 762 0 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 803 804 805 806 807 0 809 810 811 812 813 814 0 0 0 818 0 820 821 0 823 0 0 826 827 828 829 830 0 832 833 834 835 836 0 838 0 0 841 842 0 844 0 0 0 848 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 898 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 261 0 997 0 0 744 494 485 0 0 0 700 603 0 0 168 107 763 345 40 0 681 736 0 0 0 0 44 0 668 596 184 0 0 360 505 0 0 0 0 51 0 437 0 0 226 0 0 158 365 106 473 0 0 0 204 705 130 0 0 0 9 0 0 31 0 0 466 52 757 808 0 0 0 18 594 500 470 0 0 638 0 0 840 0 78 0 0 752 0 156 0 49 233 0 0 0 64 0 0 482 0 0 0 639 2 760 0 0 0 0 751 0 0 388 623 547 0 528 480 456 58 0 748 16 0 377 0 118 657 632 0 747 0 170 42 0 0 0 0 0 262 719 312 702 235 0 0 575 13 0 742 741 71 97 0 410 36 0 0 0 0 0 476 555 0 0 0 0 141 419 366 444 567 221 370 0 0 351 573 0 191 0 372 0 0 0 257 0 469 165 0 0 435 0 738 304 442 0 0 0 0 455 0 492 73 0 251 730 454 667 0 0 491 255 0 0 0 323 214 678 0 277 0 0 0 0 127 290 615 0 0 498 67 0 319 35 506 431 0 0 613 295 0 0 0 173 449 610 673 625 0 0 0 0 0 0 169 0 746 0 461 264 0 497 197 0 293 0 0 207 0 0 0 0 0 496 199 465 620 303 0 72 112 677 121 445 0 0 0 190 0 0 0 152 0 272 0 527 0 0 48 0 297 0 0 0 0 516 0 0 0 0 0 0 697 0 0 0 733 635 655 662 0 0 0 0 327 333 356 0 693 626 0 0 831 817 0 0 0 837 815 0 0 0 0 0 373 0 380 0 0 0 180 0 0 0 0 375 0 0 0 0 0 0 371 395 0 0 0 0 0 426 0 0 0 386 0 411 389 0 392 0 0 387 420 0 384 381 383 0 391 279 0 0 157 0 793 843 802 644 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 } 
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And the lined up version

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So what does all this mean? Not a damn clue, but probably nothing. The crash most likely occurred from something completely different but this is just what I found while pilfering through my files when I should be in bed sleeping.

 

[von Murrin]

I'm not sure what to make of that, particularly since I can't make it happen anymore. 1st April beta killed the VFC for me.

 

[Hogar]

I'm not sure what to make of that, particularly since I can't make it happen anymore. 1st April beta killed the VFC for me.

nah, still happens.

 

[Caranorn]

nah, still happens.

Yep, started playing again recently (after several months abscence) and have this form of crash on save (with the message window) about twice a day (playing between 4 and 8 hours a day right now, so it's not as bad as it may sound) under the april 1 beta.

No clue what causes it though. I haven't been running the debug yet as I have a low end system (in CK terms) and I fear it would end up at a crawl.

 

[von Murrin]

nah, still happens.

The October betas pretty much killed my CTD's and I can no longer force a VFC to save my life. I used to get them if I tried to make them happen, but...

It's kind of sad in a way. They were becoming something of a personal mission of mine and I was looking forward to using the debug routine, but now I can't even get the game to crash. Heh. :wacko:

 

[unmerged(6777)]

We've got several elusive ones still sneaking around behind the walls.

One is something that is triggered during a save and you'll notice that Johan has extended the way the save routine is reporting each step during the file writing process. In the examples we've seen so far from this week's patch it looks like the crash occurs immediately after the header has been written so at least that may help Johan to nail down exactly why this is occuring. It probably has something to do with a landless character who holds a title (but i'm guessing).

The other crash that we saw in about 50% of last week's reports was happening during normal play (i.e. not during a save) and Johan found at least two possible causes for that (which he fixed). From one report this week it would appear that at least one more of these remains that might be related to a faulty tooltip or something when moving the mouse around the screen. That's something that we might be able to track down ourselves if we can figure out what the mouse is hovering over (or passing over) to cause it. If could be something really simple like a river that is missing a name, or something...and it's something that the debug log won't catch because it doesn't report mouse movements.

The third possible source is an event that has faulty triggers/modifiers or effects but that fires so rarely that it only causes a crash once in a while. This will hopefully show up in the debug log and then we'll figure it out. If anyone happens to be looking through the event files and notices a bug, report it and we'll make a fix.

Oh...and I just want to repeat our most sincere thanks to those of you who are running the debug and helping us with your reports. It is very greatly appreciated.

 

[von Murrin]

Well, I'll be using the debug routine if I start getting VFC's again.

Honestly, the hardest thing is simply playing enough to get a feel for changes, given the speed of new betas. I was just getting to the point in February where I felt I understood the game post-Oct 31st. Not that I'm complaining, mind you.

 

[unmerged(6777)]

Hehe...you'd find Paradox game beta a strain then. I can't remember a single week pre-release when there weren't at least 2 or more patches to download and test (and those suckers were often 100MB patches ) and sometimes there'd be a morning patch, an afternoon patch and an evening patch depending on what the betas were reporting.

For the time being we'll probably stick to weekly patches - although some weeks will have fewer changes than others. As we get closer to 1.05 the patches will decrease in frequency to give more long-time testing and feedback.