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No, I don't reckon this will do, as this thread started with a very clear example of protestant Prussia annexing pagan Mysore and Hyderabad, getting 8BB for each.
What I guess is that pagan isn't a 'religion' at all - so it's 'same religion' to all religions, so it gets the 5BB penalty. This would be a bug if you bought the program like me, or a feature if you're a moderator.
I'm so busy testing out HRE elections on Isaac Brocks AAR that I haven't had chance to try and find a non-pagan other-religion annexation in any of my many save games. You guys mostly assume that when I do, it will be 0BB, except I think for Heyesey who thinks it's 5BB all the time (I know that isn't true, because of the Granada case).
At some point I'll try and work out how many BB I got for Mughals - the trouble is most of my non-pagan annexations happen in the middle of big wars with peace settlements all over the place and it's a coincidence if I happen to have save files giving unambiguous answers.
Is that chip heavy? Having fun putting words in people's mouth?
Anyway I did the trouble already as I said and a non pagan annexation of the other religion kind in the rest of the world doesn't give the 5 BB extra hit.
Now stop acting like a big baby.
I'll tell my mummy you said that and she'll be very cross.
Incidentally Bib, earlier in the thread you said you only got 3BB for annexing Mysore - still stand by that?
U might recall I wasn't the only one. And I inderdeed have a save here where I have 3 BB after annexing Hyderabad (same diff). As pointed out there is a problem with paganism (no one considered it a feature actually, that idea came from ur mind applying it to other people
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I have 3 ideas here, all seem reasonable:
Idea 1)
There is a hardcoded, BB exception for certain historical annexations: for example, Spain annexing Grenada, but not for "non-historical" annexations, such as Prussia annexing Mysore. This may make sense, as Europe may have in some way supported the spanish aquisition of Grenada, etc... Thus, the BB rules are:
+1 for each SAME RELIGION province
+0 for each DIFFERENT RELIGION province
+3 and +1 per province for ANY military annexation regardless of religion
With certain "built in" BB exceptions, such as the Grenada annexation.
With this solution to the problem, everyone can be right...
Idea 2)
The "pagan" religion is treated differently in MANY respects: There is no religion slider for it, it always has a +1 revolt risk (modifiable) associated with it, perhaps the game is hardcoded to treat pagan states as same religion states for BB purposes only; while moslem/christian is treated as different religions. Thus, annexing grenada(moslem) invokes a different BB rule than annexing mysore(pagan)
Idea 3) Spain starts the game with a -5 BB rating. Thus with the annexation of grenada they move up to a +1 rating. Did anyone check the Spain BB rating BEFORE the annexation of Grenada?
Idea 1)
There is a hardcoded, BB exception for certain historical annexations: for example, Spain annexing Grenada, but not for "non-historical" annexations, such as Prussia annexing Mysore. This may make sense, as Europe may have in some way supported the spanish aquisition of Grenada, etc... Thus, the BB rules are:
+1 for each SAME RELIGION province
+0 for each DIFFERENT RELIGION province
+3 and +1 per province for ANY military annexation regardless of religion
With certain "built in" BB exceptions, such as the Grenada annexation.
With this solution to the problem, everyone can be right...
Idea 2)
The "pagan" religion is treated differently in MANY respects: There is no religion slider for it, it always has a +1 revolt risk (modifiable) associated with it, perhaps the game is hardcoded to treat pagan states as same religion states for BB purposes only; while moslem/christian is treated as different religions. Thus, annexing grenada(moslem) invokes a different BB rule than annexing mysore(pagan)
Idea 3) Spain starts the game with a -5 BB rating. Thus with the annexation of grenada they move up to a +1 rating. Did anyone check the Spain BB rating BEFORE the annexation of Grenada?
1) Hmm. I'm a bit sceptical about that. Huszics isn't daft even if the FAQ thread is wrong, and I assume that there's more than just Granada that he based his figures on. And more than other, historically legitimate annexations as well. The game abstracts legitimacy of annexation into shield provinces, so that might be worth a look.
2) Yes, very likely the right answer, and relatively easy to check when I get round to it. It doesn't tally with claims that other Protestant/Pagan annexations have resulted in 0BB, but I haven't had a proveable one of those myself.
3) No, haven't checked, but seems to me highly improbable.
I think you're missing a big point here. Granada is Europe and not ROTW. I'm sure Huszic's is right about there beign a difference between Europe and ROTW, so compoaring Granada and Mughal is bound to cause problems as one is Euro and one is ROTW.
It may be true that Europe vs RoTW is part of what's going on, but that's not in the FAQ. The FAQ distinguishes carefully between Europe and RoTW for the various DoW cases (with/without CB etc.) but makes no mention of any differences relating to full annexation. According to the FAQ, it's very straightforward, SR = 5BB+1/province, OR = 0BB + 1/province, wherever you are.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not very interested in proving Huszics wrong (without whose FAQs I would have given up EU in the first 50 hours - imagine trying to play the game if you only had the manual). But the FAQs normally represent the truth, and I'm interested to understand the game.