Originally posted by Heyesey
Define big? You get 5 plus 1 per province, no matter what religion they are. At least I do on my version
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What nation annexing which nation would that be then as an example of getting 5 BB points for annexation of nations of the same religion?
No Bib, you're wrong. Religion makes no difference to the full-annexation effects on BB. e.g. from earlier in the same game:
Oct 1561, at peace. I'm Protestant, Saxony is Protestant (no save, unfortunately)
Nov 1561, Saxony DOWs me. It has some allies, some of which honor and some dishonor. I have allies, who all honor (no save, unfortunately)
Jan 1562. At war, save, BB = 11
Dec 1562, attempt to annex Saxony, they reject (still fighting with it's allies, even though I have both its provinces)
Jan 1563 I annex Saxony
Feb 1563, still at war with allies, but save. BB =18
That's an increase of 7BB, and the only BB-affecting events during the period were the annexation of same-religion 2-province Saxony
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Annexing someone of the same religion of 2 provs should give u 5 for the annexation and 1 each for the province, so 7. U got 7, what are u trying to say?
Now please give me an example of annexing some other religion nation and also getting the 5 BB points for annexation ?
That is the whole point of the thread!!!
The first post IS the annexation of an 'other religion' (i.e. Mysore and Hyderabad) which results in 5BB + 1 per province for full annexation. This example was replayed in more detail with the same result to convince the doubters.
The last example is of 'same religion' (i.e. Saxony) which also results in 5BB + 1 per province for full annexation.
So religion makes no difference to BB for full annnexation.
The first post IS the annexation of an 'other religion' (i.e. Mysore and Hyderabad) which results in 5BB + 1 per province for full annexation. This example was replayed in more detail with the same result to convince the doubters.
The last example is of 'same religion' (i.e. Saxony) which also results in 5BB + 1 per province for full annexation.
So religion makes no difference to BB for full annnexation.
Originally posted by BiB
Well, I annexed Mysore and I didn't get 5BB. That's what I am disputing
Its good to dispute... im still fairly sure you get that BB regardless of the religion. But im too lazy to fire up a game and try it again
Originally posted by Silent Eagle
Its good to dispute... im still fairly sure you get that BB regardless of the religion. But im too lazy to fire up a game and try it again
Yeah, that too
Well let's start with Spain annexing Granada in February 1492, which nets them 6 BB points whether it's me or the AI who does it. Then it's usually Turkey getting a 5-point hit for annexing the Mamelukes, Spain taking the Aztecs, Incas, any Indian nation, China and/or Japan, Turkey annexing absolutely anybody in Europe, a Protestant England annexing a Catholic Naples and a Reformist Holland ... how many examples did you want exactly? I have a few hundred from all the campaigns I've played up to now.
Originally posted by BiB
Well, I annexed Mysore and I didn't get 5BB. That's what I am disputing
I don't know why I bother really, Bib, you always deny everything. Anyway:
- Name your versions of game and campaign
- Do you have a save game and can you replicate it?
- Were you careful about saving and checking BB?
- Are you sure that you are not confusing the effects of dow and partial annexation with full annexation?
- How long is it since you played EU1 anyway?
- I will send the zipped save anywhere you nominate - will you do the same?
OK then. I just installed EU1 again, upgraded to patch 1.10, started a game as Spain, annexed Granada, opened the save file : BB=1. Anything else u wanted?
There is no Granada at the start of the IGC, so presumably you are playing the GC. Different case.
First of all, did I say I was playing IGC ? Secondly, does it matter ? It doesn't change anything (the IGC tends to follow the same rules, u know) I annexed a different religion state of one province and I got 1 BB.
IF that is all the reply u've got, well ...
Originally posted by BiB
First of all, did I say I was playing IGC ? Secondly, does it matter ? It doesn't change anything (the IGC tends to follow the same rules, u know) I annexed a different religion state of one province and I got 1 BB.
IF that is all the reply u've got, well ...
So, I reset my files to GC, and did the same as you, I also got 1BB.
Then I put them back to IGC, started a game as Mughals, dow'd Hyderabad and saved. BB=0 (just as it should be).
Then I captured the 3 Hyderabadi provinces and annexed and saved. BB =8
So I annexed a different religion state of 3 provinces and got 8BB.
What are you going to do? Deny I did it? Anybody can try this one, it takes 2 minutes.
It would appear that "Other religion" only uses the classes Christian-Orthodox-Non-Christian, or some such (maybe it distinguishes between Prot/Cath/Reformed as well); on which basis the Moguls and Hyderabad, both being not Christian, are "same religion."
An easily overlooked sommink is inderdeed that the game considers christians for example as same religion so catholics on protestants and so on is considered same religion.
Plenty of people have stated different things about this, anyway I can't be arsed to install the IGC
Read what u have typed. 2 cases of annexations of different religion were presented. In one case the BB hit is small in the other big. One can conclude from this that there is no standard 5 BB annexation hit for annexing other religions as otherwise it'd be there for both.
Could be sommink here because of the different BB rules in and outside Europe, which I don't have a clue about, either here or in EU2 as they changed them all the time and which I frankly don't care about
This pagan thing not being a full religion could be an issue though but that's not a problem with the general rule that different religion annexation don't yield the big BB hit.
The BB is hard coded in the game, there is no way in the files to get at it. The IGC is only a set of files that alter some of the settings, it doesn't change the rules. OK it changes religions, but it stands to reason that this can't be IGC vs GC. This sounds like a weird pagan issue to me, although it still points out that the FAQ is off in that ROTW annexations are NOT BB free.