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Some facts about the BB cost don't seem logic to me.

1)E.g. FRA does annex a vassal on it's national territory, e.g. ORL, as a result it's BB-value rises by +1. When it waits until ENG does annex ORL and then gets the province through peace negotiations it will rise by 0!! I think on national territory it should always be 0.

2)E.g. SPA and POR, when SPA is at war with POR (successfully) and gets 5 small colonies <700 through neg., its BB value will rise by 0. When POR is a vassal of SPA and SPA does annex POR ALL those small colonies and trading posts will cost +1 BB EACH!!! So when they annex POR it usually costs SPA >+10 BB, while it should be 3 (Oporto, Tago, Algarve). They should also cost 0.

Over all summary: the difference between gain by war and diplomacy should be removed (diplomacy should not be more expensive than war!!!).
 
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(1) cannot be implemented. Releasing vassals Lowers BB. If annexing vassals gave no BB, then there would be an endless BB losing exploit.

(2) is probably a good idea, but it isn't really a bug, more of an enhabcement proposal.
 

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Also on 1) You compare 2 diffeent things.
If France were to military annex Orleans, it would get 6BB for annex of a co-religionist (or whatever the cost, it might have changed), but only 1 as with a diplo-annex. So diplo is still favored.
Of course France gets 0 from taking it from England, but then England got 6BB+1 or 2 depending if it was a off er def war for the annexion.
All in all, Diplo-annexion is les costly in term of BB than military annexion.

Anyways, this has been discussed quite often on the main board, and I doubt we will se anymore changes on this topic.

At least now BB for inheritance have been lowered. And I am very greatful for that one :)