Bavarian Missions

[Quisition]

Hello!

Started a new game as Bavaria. I had read a little about the missions available and sure enough in spite of putting the AI on low aggressitivity (sp?) it was a wild ride that started with a simple occupation of Franken and ended with Bavaria in control of Franken, Ansbach and six Vassals since new minors kept joining in (but were powerless to resist my carefully planned coalition). It also helped that France and Austria teamed up with Teutonic Order and all went to war with Bohemia in the meantime (four years and they managed to force Bohemia to release Silestria.. =)).

However I ended up with a strange situation. My current mission wants me to conquer Pfalz but if I read the Wiki correct there is a mission available I think to receive a core on Worms as well or is this some leftover from a previous version (5.1 with all expansions here)? Don't I miss out on the core on Worms when I annex Pfalz? Is there an easy way through the console to fix this situation?

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[Magnive]

You do not gain cores on Worms when you annex Pfalz, but you can get a mission to conquer Worms later. My suggestion is to annex the Palatinate, put NF on Ansbach and remove the cores of the Palatinate on Franken and Pfalz, and then release the Palatinate with merely Worms. After 5 years, cancel the vassalization, attack and annex with mission for core

 

[Bakenellan]

It may be also a good idea to take Pfalz and force-vassalise Palatinate (as Worms) at the same time if you have infamy to spare. Palatinate is HRE elector and may come handy if you ever plan to be HRE. It won't work if he has capital in Pfalz of course, don't remember if it so or not.

 

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You do not gain cores on Worms when you annex Pfalz, but you can get a mission to conquer Worms later. My suggestion is to annex the Palatinate, put NF on Ansbach and remove the cores of the Palatinate on Franken and Pfalz, and then release the Palatinate with merely Worms. After 5 years, cancel the vassalization, attack and annex with mission for core

Elegant solution!

 

[Bakenellan]

Elegant solution!

Agreed .
It is also not necessary to declare war on Palatinate to fulfill a mission, diploannex will also work except after 10 years. I did it with Ansbach (which was guaranteed by everyone an his dog)

 

[Quisition]

It may be also a good idea to take Pfalz and force-vassalise Palatinate (as Worms) at the same time if you have infamy to spare. Palatinate is HRE elector and may come handy if you ever plan to be HRE. It won't work if he has capital in Pfalz of course, don't remember if it so or not.

That's the main issue. The capital is Pfalz and hence unless I use the other solution provided here I am forced to take Worms before I receive the mission.

 

[Quisition]

Elegant solution!

Although a tiny bit gamey.. =)

 

[Quisition]

You do not gain cores on Worms when you annex Pfalz, but you can get a mission to conquer Worms later. My suggestion is to annex the Palatinate, put NF on Ansbach and remove the cores of the Palatinate on Franken and Pfalz, and then release the Palatinate with merely Worms. After 5 years, cancel the vassalization, attack and annex with mission for core

Hmm.. National Focus is needed to use the provincial decision to remove cores?

I just moved National Focus with no more plan than to have affect more provinces than in München so I guess unless I go back to an earlier save I am a bit stuck here for the next 10+ years.. =)
Otoh this is the end of the country specific missions anyway and I managed to end up with 18.6 in Infamy which is WAY more than I had planned after one war campaign (and 7+ in WE as well) so I guess I can live with a bit of cool-off.

A specific variant of your suggestion would be to slap a guarantee on Palatinate, make a quick war to annul all treaties once our truce is broken (with them at around just below +100 in relation) and then try to get them into an alliance real quick and diplo-annex them to minimize the Infamy cost and then diplo-annex them as Worms 10 years later, correct?

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[cuendillar]

You do not gain cores on Worms when you annex Pfalz, but you can get a mission to conquer Worms later. My suggestion is to annex the Palatinate, put NF on Ansbach and remove the cores of the Palatinate on Franken and Pfalz, and then release the Palatinate with merely Worms. After 5 years, cancel the vassalization, attack and annex with mission for core

I did it the easy way and 'sold' Worms to Alsace. Giving it to any bordering weakling would work equally well, and all this without committing the NF. The missions triggers soon anyway, as it's country-specific - almost certainly quicker than the 5-year wait in your solution.

 

[n0thin]

Why? Per missions you should get 2 cores, but that is nearly impossible, as The Palatinate has Pfalz as a capital, but you won't get the missions for Worms, if they still have Pfalz (never happened to me, at least, and I tried it quite often). So all you do is tricking the game to work where it doesn't do like it should.

 

[Quisition]

In the game I ended up with a solution albeit not perhaps the optimal solution. When I got Land Tech 4 before most of the rest of HRE (thanks to 6-star advisor) I couldn't resist attacking. I annexed Palatinate and then reformed Palatinate as just Worms by agreeing when Bohemia came knocking on the door and complained. Cost me 4 unnecessary BB but I hope I'll get the mission to get a core once I have taken a deep breath and then completed mission to vassalize Ulm (for a -2 Infamy reward... =)).

 

[unmerged(200028)]

Bavaria is one of my favorite nations to play as. They get good missions for conquering their neighbors for good expansion potential, but they're surrounded still by potentially much more powerful nations - Austria, Bohemia, Burgundy, and perhaps Prussia later on, (along with being in the HRE, adding another layer of complication to wars and expansion) which makes for a fun challenge.

EDIT: I believe your question has been answered for you above, but I apologize for not speaking to it.

 

[Magnive]

Bavaria is one of my favorite nations to play as. They get good missions for conquering their neighbors for good expansion potential, but they're surrounded still by potentially much more powerful nations - Austria, Bohemia, Burgundy, and perhaps Prussia later on, (along with being in the HRE, adding another layer of complication to wars and expansion) which makes for a fun challenge.

EDIT: I believe your question has been answered for you above, but I apologize for not speaking to it.

Not to mention, they're in a great position for forming Germany. I have a Bavaria game where I will be able to form Germany in 1505

 

[sprites]

Bavaria is cool , but when you wreck Austria there isn't that much challenge left.

 

[cuendillar]

Not to mention, they're in a great position for forming Germany. I have a Bavaria game where I will be able to form Germany in 1505

Why do people say that Bavaria is well positioned for forming Germany? They have a mission for Franken, but are pretty far from all the rest of the needed provinces.

Getting enough boundary disputes and annex vassal missions to form Germany would seem to come much more naturally to the Saxon nations as they're right in the middle of it and begins with a prerequisite core to boot. All but Brandenburg and the (Hannoverian) Hansa are clearly weaker, but they are better placed. They only have troubles getting Franken, the rest are practically adjacent. PUs might change things, but any Germanic monarchy can do those.

 

[n0thin]

So? You don't rely on boundary disputes for forming Germany, you simply use PU's on everything you can. Then Magdeburg and 1-2 others will remain. And there are three countries capable of forming Germany without cultural switch, that are stronger than the rest (not counting free trade slider), Hansa, Brandenburg and Bavaria. You may add Teutonic Order, but they are in a quite special position. Hansa is a republic, so only BBurg and Bavaria remain. Bavaria does not start in a PU, has better missions (four cores and you normally don't have to fight Bohemia), which give them a quite strong power base. BBurg has one of the starting cores (Bavaria has a mission for one) and has an elector position, which makes the way to become emperor easier. If you're really lucky, you get an early Claims on our Rivals and still have a combination of Magdeburg/Anhalt/Saxony/Mecklenburg as a rival. that is however fairly unlikely and if you wait for it, you cant conquer anything till the event happens (makes you to strong => you'll have other rivals).
Bavaria doesn't start under a PU, so you can go for all those thrones immediately. It may not be hard to get out of the PU as BBurg, but even if you do it in two years, quite some of the heirless countries in 1399 will now have a heir. And, most importantly, you can easily PU BBurg, when they finally break the PU with Luxemburg, giving you an even stronger power base.
So I'd argue that Bavaria is the best/fastest country to form Germany without a cultural switch. With cultural switch, it's probably Bohemia.

 

[unmerged(200028)]

Bavaria is cool , but when you wreck Austria there isn't that much challenge left.

I don't claim to be especially good at this game, but I don't think it's an effortless endeavor to 'wreck' Austria. Perhaps it is for you, but I think they're usually quite a challenge until I get to a comparable size. Besides, wouldn't you devote more of your attention to the hapless minors to your north/northwest in the early game, for whom you have missions to conquer and immediately get cores on? Following from this, you'd be in a much stronger position to take Austria later.

 

[brifbates]

So? You don't rely on boundary disputes for forming Germany, you simply use PU's on everything you can. Then Magdeburg and 1-2 others will remain. And there are three countries capable of forming Germany without cultural switch, that are stronger than the rest (not counting free trade slider), Hansa, Brandenburg and Bavaria. You may add Teutonic Order, but they are in a quite special position. Hansa is a republic, so only BBurg and Bavaria remain. Bavaria does not start in a PU, has better missions (four cores and you normally don't have to fight Bohemia), which give them a quite strong power base. BBurg has one of the starting cores (Bavaria has a mission for one) and has an elector position, which makes the way to become emperor easier. If you're really lucky, you get an early Claims on our Rivals and still have a combination of Magdeburg/Anhalt/Saxony/Mecklenburg as a rival. that is however fairly unlikely and if you wait for it, you cant conquer anything till the event happens (makes you to strong => you'll have other rivals).
Bavaria doesn't start under a PU, so you can go for all those thrones immediately. It may not be hard to get out of the PU as BBurg, but even if you do it in two years, quite some of the heirless countries in 1399 will now have a heir. And, most importantly, you can easily PU BBurg, when they finally break the PU with Luxemburg, giving you an even stronger power base.
So I'd argue that Bavaria is the best/fastest country to form Germany without a cultural switch. With cultural switch, it's probably Bohemia.

One thing you didn't mention but that also helps Bav->Ger is that a lot of the minors will join wars against you as you do your missions allowing easy vassalization-> diploannex. With any effort at all you can maintain 2 unlawful territories without creating any problems for yourself and you are generally strong enough to keep an ai HREmp from even thinking about attacking (or you're allied with them, or are HRE). Unless you are drag racing by abusing PUs left, right, and center you can easily take a few of the required provinces using that route while getting others with PUs, random events, etc.

 

[ZomgK3tchup]

Why do people say that Bavaria is well positioned for forming Germany? They have a mission for Franken, but are pretty far from all the rest of the needed provinces.

Most of the provinces required to form Germany are near Saxony, and Bavaria is literally in the right position to take them.Unlike Austria or the TO, it doesn't have many enemies as long as it plays strategically, and unlike Hansa, it can PU and afford infamy hits. It can also become Emperor without much issue if it vassalizes Mainz, Palatine, and Saxony during one of its inevitable wars with those three.

It also doesn't need to maintain a navy and can therefore avoid confrontations with France, England, and the Iberian states. This gives it a huge advantage over the Hansa whose main strength is its ability to recover stability and tech rapidly; if Bavaria stays small, vassalizes, and only PUs the places it needs for Germany, it won't need to worry about stability hits.

In other words, it has most of the advantages that the other German powers have and almost none of the weaknesses bar being crushable by Austria and/or Bohemia in the beginning.

 

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I'm doing a Bavaria game as well. I think I'm into the 1560's and I'm nowhere near forming Germany yet. All of the little states have alliances with big powers who I don't want to mess with. I had Emperor for a long time but in all my wisdom decided to switch to Protestant, and now I'll probably never get HRE back. Bohemia has a vassal, there's 2 electors that are reformed, I have Alsace as a vassal, only one voting for me.