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Conway's lists Asahi as separate from the Shikishimas - mainly because of the more powerful engines and the lack of a third funnel, though Hatsuse was sufficiently different from Shikishima to let the matter hang. Same basic design which evolved with each ship.
Asahi is listed by the same source as having been reactivated in 1938 as a repair ship and sunk on 25/5/42 by Salmon (SS182) off Cape Paderas in Indo-China and she's the answer I was looking for.
I find it hard to believe that no one has mentioned the YAMATO yet. The world´s biggest battleship, it´s a pity that she never actually fought.
Why should we? To say that the Yamato is the coolest battleship, would be like saying that the Maus was the coolest tank. The Yamato was the biggest and had had the biggest guns.... but so what? She aint the coolest, there are no neat stories told about her, like there is about the Bismarck, the Hood, the Warspite and so on..... she was just sunk. Wich makes for a really dull story indeed
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Originally posted by peo
I like the swedish equivalent to a battleship
The Sverige class armoured ships, HMS Sverige, HMS Gustav V and HMS Drottning Viktoria
Altough not techincaly battleships they are not cruisiers either
Any pictures?
HMS SverigeOriginally posted by pithorr
Any pictures?
HMS Drottning Victoria
HMS Gustav V
The Yamato was a boring ship. She was huge, carried massive guns, and was protected by hugely thick armor, but was never used in a surface combat action. She never fired her guns on a target worthy of 3,200 pound shell (1,400 kg), and both Yamato ships together fired less than ten rounds of 18" ammunition.
Steele
Steele
Though not exactly battleships, the British M-class subs at least had battleship guns.
I can't see what they could be useful for, but talk about cool!
http://www.submariners.co.uk/barrowbuilt/link07.html
I can't see what they could be useful for, but talk about cool!
http://www.submariners.co.uk/barrowbuilt/link07.html
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More info + pics about HMS Agincourt look here.
HMS Agincourt
The page also has a lot of info about other battelships and cruisers.
Enjoy
HMS Agincourt
The page also has a lot of info about other battelships and cruisers.
Enjoy
There was that german battleship that was sunk in the south atlantic by Montevideo but I forgot the name
Originally posted by HJ Tulp
There was that german battleship that was sunk in the south atlantic by Montevideo but I forgot the name
It wasn't a battleship, it was the Graf von Spee, a commerce raider. The class was called "pocket battleship" for propaganda reasons, but they were actually heavy cruisers with real big guns, and they were reclassified as such by the Kriegsmarine at the outbreak of the war.
That must be the greman pocket battleship the Graf Spee.
The Battle of the River Plate
The German fleet included several fast ships known as 'pocket battleships' intended for commerce raiding. One of the earliest naval encounters of the war was the Battle of the River Plate off Montevideo between a German pocket battleship, Admiral Graf Spee, and British ships. The Admiral Graf Spee had been operating very successfully against merchant shipping in the South Atlantic when she was caught off the River Plate on 13 December 1939 by the British cruisers, Achilles, Ajax and Exeter. After fierce fighting in the open sea, she was driven to scuttle herself.
The Battle of the River Plate
The German fleet included several fast ships known as 'pocket battleships' intended for commerce raiding. One of the earliest naval encounters of the war was the Battle of the River Plate off Montevideo between a German pocket battleship, Admiral Graf Spee, and British ships. The Admiral Graf Spee had been operating very successfully against merchant shipping in the South Atlantic when she was caught off the River Plate on 13 December 1939 by the British cruisers, Achilles, Ajax and Exeter. After fierce fighting in the open sea, she was driven to scuttle herself.
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Were they ever called "pocket battleship" by the Germans, the ships tend to be designated "Panzerschiff" in German sources?
I think you´re right Linus, the term "pocket battleship" IIRC was what the British admiralty called them......
that's right, the Graf Spee, wasn't it build as light as possible because of the Peace of Versailles?
Yep. She was notionally a replacement for the German predreadnoughts allowed Germany after WWI. The design was quite a remarkable one, because the Germans had to stay under 10,000 tons standard displacement, but still got a lot of speed, range, firepower, and armor into her using welding and diesel engines.
Not a very successful class, though. Too many mechanical problems and the light construction led to problems with the structure cracking in heavy seas.
Their best contribution to Germany's war effort was probably in forcing the allies to build ships designed specifically to match the Panzerschiffs, rather than building what the Allies really needed.
The best battleship design was unquestionably the Queen Elizabeth class of WWI, all of which survived into WWII, and one of which, Warspite, was the most successful, famous, and luckiest battleship in history. I also seem to recall Warspite steamed more wartime miles and saw more actions than any other battleship. She certainly has the record for most shells fired in naval combat.
There were limits to weight and gun caliber, but were there any rules on torpedo tubes according to the post-WW1 rules?