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And what is KJ doing... Zero BB and 64 provinces owned... and a lot of potential DA objects... 
Well, as a neighbour, although a friendly such, we appreciate that the great Sultan thus limits his wealth and manpower...
Well, as a neighbour, although a friendly such, we appreciate that the great Sultan thus limits his wealth and manpower...
And it is interesting to note that Portugal is now allied with FRA and SPA on very friendly terms with the great trading powers.
But let no one be mistaken. POR and SPA have the best of relations and will not wage war against eachother.
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BTW what happened in the OE-ENG war. Some 10-15,000d smashed in fleet losses and that was that? As ususal I did not pay much attention to the game log.
And why did ENG peace with FRA? Because of the war with OE?
But let no one be mistaken. POR and SPA have the best of relations and will not wage war against eachother.
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BTW what happened in the OE-ENG war. Some 10-15,000d smashed in fleet losses and that was that?
As ususal I did not pay much attention to the game log.And why did ENG peace with FRA? Because of the war with OE?
English scout ships spotted a turkish armada outside Lissbon,Daniel A said:BTW what happened in the OE-ENG war. Some 10-15,000d smashed in fleet losses and that was that?
Luckily, the English armada was united outside London (havn't been so for the whole war
), so the fleet was sent to western France to neutralize this threat.It was hard indeed, many brave lads lost their lives. And many British warships was sunked aswell. The main reason for that though, was the old fashioned Turkish ships that instead of using cannons, they turned their boats to ram the British warships. It was a sad day, as many ships were lost.
But in the end, we managed to sink the Turkish fleet (only 5 managed to escape, in which 176K troops were :rofl: )
The Portugese fleet was also sunked.
The English admirality was impressed however, with the high quality Venetian warships commanded by a skilled Admiral. This Admiral is the reason why thousands of English lads lost their lives.
I didn't feel like fighting Frances evil axis friends alone on the seas, Holland refused to assist. Thus to spare us a second front. We peaced out the French.Daniel A said:
We were kinda busy with keeping the turkish army out of Britain.
It was a matter of life and death, free or being a vassal.
The techincally superior Dutch fleet refused to fight at sea... nah, this cannot be true
Damocles said:
True. It was a hard fight. Mountains of people were crossing border with England. Englands and Portugese fleets were there. Captain of the Portugese fleet lost his mind though. He had landed whole his army in the winter and on a barren land. They were lost in the wild and they froze. Instead of retreating on the ship untill the spring they marched west to fight some rebels deep in that wast new continent. Before they met the rebels English contingent arrived. Captain of their army went berserk when he saw us. To avoid furher tensions Portugese fleet started to sail for Europe and initial army of 30k was reduced to 7k and disbanded. Disaster and shock. We haven't even fired a shot and our army was beaten to the last one.
Damocles said:
It was a humongous clash! England was a mastermind of preparation and planning. First few rounds France entered the war as a superpower launching massive attacks in NA. England fought with all its might and as the war dragged on they was more and more tired. When Spanish kick came from the back, France was in a really ugly situation and I must say that I'm impressed how you handled the situation.
In the meantime KJ and Babur were discussing something between themselves about the humanitarian perspecitive of the relationship between overlord and vassal when KJ finally noticed that they are drowning Damo. Preprations seemed to last forever while France looked like it is snapping.
When we joined England kicked us soo hard that attack ended in complete failure. Of quadrillion galleys with which OE came only 5 survived. Portugal has lost its entire fleet. Compressed in remaning 5 ships Ottoman army landed in France and joined the fight against rebellions that were all over the France.
England was also hit hard and decided to retire from the battle. Since France had to loose they quickly agreed to peace for a small island. By that time everybody was ganging everybody and at least two of them France but NL finally surrendered and peace somehow settled. Vicious resistance Cic.
Damocles said:
Hehe, yes that was disturbing time. You handled situation very well though. France was never really in mortal danger.
Fredrik82 said:
LOL! Matter of life and death, free or being a vassal?:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ok, those 5 galleys were magical but not that much.
Venice again offered to purcahse Sicily and Sardinia, when the negotiations went to a standstill Venetian troops decided to occupy them to settle the matter faster. When Spanish troops was seen recruting and her navy sailing towards Sicily Venetian troops and ship intervened with devastating result. When Spain agreed to sell the islands all attacks were broken off.
The sum is to be decided during the week.
Right after this conflict/war OE asked if Venice would lend her naval powers to her. Having paid for a substantial part of it Venice saw no reason to deny her the aid.
After seeing the Portuguese squadron being beat badly the Venetian ships intervened to save the day where Turkey and England was fighting it out. Pursuing up into the channel we outrun the Turkish galleys and ended up alone. Due to bad weather our orders weren't implemented until with large delay. When the storm had cleared the Turksih Squadron was beaten and the war over.
Venice lost some 70 warships during this war.
Venice gained 4.000 inhabitants in unconverted provinces which, of course, is appreciated a lot more than the deflationary racketering our neighbours in Europe are engaging in.
Then relations were bettered with the OE and a lot of revolts and mismanagement struck.
Some unexpected high quality leaders joined the army and the fleet for the first time. Great news!
Venice is income is low and trade is lagging. Except for this all is great in the trade republic.
The sum is to be decided during the week.
Right after this conflict/war OE asked if Venice would lend her naval powers to her. Having paid for a substantial part of it Venice saw no reason to deny her the aid.
After seeing the Portuguese squadron being beat badly the Venetian ships intervened to save the day where Turkey and England was fighting it out. Pursuing up into the channel we outrun the Turkish galleys and ended up alone. Due to bad weather our orders weren't implemented until with large delay. When the storm had cleared the Turksih Squadron was beaten and the war over.
Venice lost some 70 warships during this war.
Venice gained 4.000 inhabitants in unconverted provinces which, of course, is appreciated a lot more than the deflationary racketering our neighbours in Europe are engaging in.
Then relations were bettered with the OE and a lot of revolts and mismanagement struck.
Some unexpected high quality leaders joined the army and the fleet for the first time. Great news!
Venice is income is low and trade is lagging. Except for this all is great in the trade republic.
I'm terrible sorry, but I could not play today (My damn connection went out and between talking with the ISP and solving the issue hours passed). Sorry.
A few more thoughts...
The war in NA was fairly interesting. England had built up to mostly large forts there, and it is all very low attrition land.
Yet France decided that it had to at least try to reconquer lost provinces. SO it amassed about 250k men. About twice what England had stationed there before the English shifted them to Brandenburg.
Then, as Brandenburg was declaring peace with the OE, I decided to strike before England could get back.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to crack the large forts. There were a number of back and forth battles as the English reinforcements finally returned. But after my initial push failed, with about 200k dead due to sieging and attrition, it was a lost cause.
From then on, England and France continued fighting around Milwaukee and Stadcone, and England took my islands. Several times the English landed armies of around 80k in size in Stadcone. But I would always fight him off. Around this time, about 60k Spanish in two armies showed up to 'hold the line' but there was no fighting.
I think that France and England have learned some important lessons about North America.
We both have significant advantages there that make it a bloodbath for whoever goes on the offensive. And that the cost of war is so high, and the province values so low, that it is practically the Somme.
For the first time, France has resigned itself to never getting Conneticut and Massachussets back, without incredible expenses, such as to make those two provinces unable to return the investment if the game were to last 400 more years.
The war in NA was fairly interesting. England had built up to mostly large forts there, and it is all very low attrition land.
Yet France decided that it had to at least try to reconquer lost provinces. SO it amassed about 250k men. About twice what England had stationed there before the English shifted them to Brandenburg.
Then, as Brandenburg was declaring peace with the OE, I decided to strike before England could get back.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to crack the large forts. There were a number of back and forth battles as the English reinforcements finally returned. But after my initial push failed, with about 200k dead due to sieging and attrition, it was a lost cause.
From then on, England and France continued fighting around Milwaukee and Stadcone, and England took my islands. Several times the English landed armies of around 80k in size in Stadcone. But I would always fight him off. Around this time, about 60k Spanish in two armies showed up to 'hold the line' but there was no fighting.
I think that France and England have learned some important lessons about North America.
We both have significant advantages there that make it a bloodbath for whoever goes on the offensive. And that the cost of war is so high, and the province values so low, that it is practically the Somme.
For the first time, France has resigned itself to never getting Conneticut and Massachussets back, without incredible expenses, such as to make those two provinces unable to return the investment if the game were to last 400 more years.
Anyone objects if we increase the number of random leaders?
I'm thinking something similar to this.
L1: 3 Admirals and 1 General (or 2 Admirals and 2 Generals)
L2: 3 Generals and 1 Admiral.
Thoughts?
I'm thinking something similar to this.
L1: 3 Admirals and 1 General (or 2 Admirals and 2 Generals)
L2: 3 Generals and 1 Admiral.
Thoughts?
Fredrik82 said:
I object. We're drowning in them enough as it is.
Is it really every country's god-given right to have a 444 (or possibly better) general at least once every 20 years?
Random leaders are a nice way to ensure that even countries that go 50-75 years without a leader, still have someone that can possibly muster a 5 shock or fire. But they should not be overwhelming and making less important historical leaders that have 3s that could be 4s.
Damocles said:
Agreed, as Brandenburg I object too. We small nations with powerfull leadefiles deserve some edge.
I agree with changing numbers since we with nations we never asked for boasting sucky leaderfiles, lousy regents, no events and on hostile terms with the RNG deserves a break!
Damocles said:
Was it these manouvers you hinted at when you asked me if I was happy with the French support that finally gave me Spain's islands in the med?
Ok, np.arcorelli said:
Talk about being unlycky though
You still interested in joining this game i hope?
I feel the question of what perms plays what nation is vital to this campaign in the current situation. Sweden and Austria?
We got Arco joining us, most likely as Austria.juv95hrn said:
Still searching for a perm for Sweden.
juv95hrn said:Was it these manouvers you hinted at when you asked me if I was happy with the French support that finally gave me Spain's islands in the med?
What I said was that, considering I had been fighting many large armies of Spain's, and that I'd told him my only demands were for Venice to get those islands...That I find it unlikely that Venice would've gotten them if it'd just been her.
Since you couldn't have racked up enough warscore to stab hit for them.
Granted, Daniel A can tell us one way or another. Yet at the time, I felt that Spain peaced Venice out in order to deal with me. Venice seems to think that Spain peaced him out regardless of France. *shrug*