Battlefront III - Gearing for war

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Sorry, my connection to internet is down from home. The ISP (Telia) says it will be up again at noon today.

I wanted a clear rule like the one I discuss in my "Style of playing"-thread. Was that difficult to understand?

 

[Fredrik82]

I wanted a clear rule like the one I discuss in my "Style of playing"-thread. Was that difficult to understand?

-3 stab hit rule eh?

1.)
-3 stab, 99 warscore, and having been at war for X years (probably 3-5 years).

2.) (SMNs idea)
As I claimed in the Finding Neverland thread, I think this is a problem that is in the heads of players. If there is a rule to be made, the rule should be:

'If you can not recapture a province that has been captured from you, nor can you capture any of your opponents territory, you must cede that territory in peace after X years".

Because the EU2 engine can't recognize de facto control.

Not sure about this one....

3.) Any other ideas?

 

[Fredrik82]

If one or more players refuse to play with this rule, of any kind, and got a reasonable point for it,
then i wont implant it.

I belive in easy rules, that cannot be missunderstood.

 

[unmerged(41172)]

2. will do!

...but 3. could sound like this;

If at - 3 stability and -99 WS country must accept peace for provinces he was unable to capture in last 3 years up to the max. of allowed provinces per peace

it is kind of a mix to avoid discussion about weather defeated player was or was not able to reconquer those provinces since he was at +3 stability and so on..., so new misunderstanding can be avoided

I really think that if you are at -3 stab and -99 WS and you have occupied provinces for more then 3 years that IT IS CLEAR LOOS

 

[Fredrik82]

2. will do!

Question is, will it work?

 

[unmerged(41172)]

Question is, will it work?

good question!

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Number 2, in its present wording, does not fit the clearness-criterion. Read my post about it in the other thread.

Nab, your suggestion suffers from some of the similar problems as smn's suggestion. What, e.g., if the winner wants more than that or those provinces his oppponent cannot take. Questions like this must be cleared before we implement the rule.

I also am in favour of a de facto rule but I have not yet seen anyone that is clear and reasonably fair.

I still believe that stab -3, WS -99 and x years is good enough. If you have that it means you have several provinces under control, probably most of the time.

But of course, what if you have +90 in WS, stab -3 and x years and you cannot gain further WS, should it then be a WP if the loser only accepts that and accepts eternal stab hits? That is another problem.

 

[Fredrik82]

Random leaders generated,
http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/league/generator.cgi?action=showset&game=XXV&league=ic&season=Valkyrie.net%20VI&lang=eng&yearsave=1676

 

[Fredrik82]

I would prefer to wait until next session to implant this rule.
We need a discussion over this first.
Also, everyone should get a fair chance to say what they think first,
as it should be when you add a new rule in an ongoing game.

 

[Fredrik82]

Poland is now dropped as a player nation,

Still looking for a new perm for Sweden. Some help with this would be appreciated.

Arcorelli will most likely take over Austria as a perm.
He hasn't decieded yet though if to take Sweden or Austria.
But it will probably be Austria.

 

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I accept that the decision about the rule is postponed till after this session. However, after that I insist on having a clear rule on the relevant matter. For the reasons stated in my first post on the matter.

 

[Damocles]

Poland is now dropped as a player nation,

Still looking for a new perm for Sweden. Some help with this would be appreciated.

Arcorelli will most likely take over Austria as a perm.
He hasn't decieded yet though if to take Sweden or Austria.
But it will probably be Austria.

*sigh*

Unfortunately, Poland requires that it's player carefully shepherd it all times. After HoG had Poland subbed for the first time, I suspected this would happen. And I must say, after being subbed a second time, I would have been surprised if he stayed on.

Poland is just one of those countries that always dances on the knife edge unfortunately. Austria is similar.

 

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Anyone who volunteers to play Poland I believe deserves a gold medal. The only succesful Poland I have seen during the one year EU MP I have done is actually no one other than our dear friend Tonio , in NOIV (that infamous game that always comes up when we are discussing for instance bad quits - wonder if Hive reads this post ).

But to not tell you abandon a game, like HoG apparently did in this case, deserves nothing but --- (forum rules forbids me to write what I think)

 

[Fredrik82]

It looks like Vnet is down,
We will host by IP.

Daniel will host, join at 81.231.116.47

 

[Damocles]

Anyone who volunteers to play Poland I believe deserves a gold medal. The only succesful Poland I have seen during the one year EU MP I have done is actually no one other than our dear friend Tonio , in NOIV (that infamous game that always comes up when we are discussing for instance bad quits - wonder if Hive reads this post ).

But to not tell you abandon a game, like HoG apparently did in this case, deserves nothing but --- (forum rules forbids me to write what I think)

I had a good Poland, in a game where Peter Ebbesen had been Russia.

I ended up annexing most of Brandenburg, so that a coalition of France, Austria and Spain invaded me =(

 

[unmerged(41172)]

Good session. Fight all around.

 

[Fredrik82]

Good game all!
STATS

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Bad session. Fight all around.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Strange losses stats for this session.

I lost 0 warships alhtough I lost some 30 because of mistakes in fake war between VEN and SPA.

England lost 18,000 men in battles and 100,000 in attrition. Even though they made war to France for quite some time.

And over all one could believe that besides the costly naval battles between OE and ENG the main fight on land was between FRA and myself, with Damo's cavalry on the plains in Italy costing me too much. Also NETH lost quite a lot of men.

Was the war between FRA and ENG a kind of fake war one wonders?

Regarding my losses in Italy I had decided to avoid land battles and go for quick assaults thanks to my fleet. But a little later I engaged in some land battles but had forgotten that I had to change my policy of only some 10% cavalry. Shit, the brain works more slowly with age

 

[Damocles]

There is no way that is correct.

Fred lost twice as much as 18k in the first battle of the war.

France had a tough time in that war.

The English had about a 100k or so troops in NA that they could hit me with from wherever they wished. We had some brutal battles in Stadcone because of that. Hell. England went to 6 WE before anyone else even joined the war. We were doing a 1v1 for a loooong time.

At the same time, the Dutch were getting their kicks running about 20-30k armies through my territory at a time, or sieging places like Vendee. At the same time, they kept about 100k in Zeeland, forcing me to keep a 90k army there too.

Spain however, was probably the hardest. I had to keep 100k troops on the Iberian border to fight him there, and he kept landing 100k troops in Napoli.

So I was paying like 100d for maintenance.

I was also racking up huge war exhaustion and getting unhappy peasants and colonial uprisings everywhere.

Finally however, I got Villars, and was able to methodically steamroll Netherlands with equal odds. His mighty forts were difficult, and I had to face about 120k troops three times. The first I lost, the last two I won. And after that, his merc pool was empty after the final time.

I was also able to finally stabalize my border with Spain after I caught him for the last time with a drastic cavalry advantage. Though, due to his naval superiority, I had to keep 100k in Italy and 100k on the Spanish Marches thereafter. And he kept landing troops there until the end of the war. It ended with him still holding Apulia.

I was so strapped for support, that I had to take the assault on the Netherlands very slowly. I'd lose 50k men...Fall back, recruit 50k more, and do it again. Succeed and lose 50k more. Wait and recruit 50k more...etc.

In the end, I lost Isle Royal to England, grabbed Flandern off the Dutch and fought to a WP with Spain.

Fred, Cicero and Dan all fought very well. It was a very stressful war for me.