Battlefront III - Gearing for war

[unmerged(6147)]

1.It is impossible to overrun England in naval tech.
2.It is impossible for 10 years have an advantage in fleet.
3.France said that relations between 2 nations were good and will be good.

And i think you knew all of this facts Daniel.

We have lost cuba with tc in guantanahmo, half of fleet (I have made reform in navy.Now spain has 100 warsheep ).Actually only tc is actuall.

I am not sure I understand what you mean by saying I knew it was impossible to overrun ENG in naval tech. All I say is that if you do not believe you could win a war you should not provoke the target. But let us now forget that and try to get Italy back. It will be interesting to see whether the Fox voluntarily gives them back or if he choses the other alternative.

 

[Tonioz]

lol, Daniel told same words a session ago about Alsase and Pfalz :rofl:

 

[King John]

Tonio, you blame Daniel's diplomacy too much, when your diplomacy amounts to attempts to guilt your opponents into either fighting your idea of an honorable war, or giving you extremely nice peace terms .

To define your idea of an honorable war, it seems to be one where your enemy is very likely to pay a cost 4-5 times higher than yourself, while you face almost no possibility of actually losing land. Unless your foe ends up making a herculean effort to beat you, in which case it's only honorable to make small peace terms .

And this tactic has been overused already. What else? Lets see, displaying your battle ratios and cost ratios, ussually with an evilly grinning smiley. Making everyone who's fought with you want to kill you! I suppose if you WANT that so you can make us all lose more money trying(in honorable wars of course), that makes some sense, but since you've also been losing land occasionally, this might not be the best tack.

Besides that, hmmm, you've somehow lost support from Spain, Austria's natural ally. Failed attempts(or failed to make attempts?) at getting support from Poland and Venice, and perhaps just as importantly, forced those who did support you like Brandenburg to waste unnecessary resources fighting wars that always last way too long, making them less willing to support you again.


I don't think Daniel's done such a bad job on the other hand. He sent you the minimal amount of gold necessary for you to keep fighting us for decades. Why should he care if you lose a prov or two? You were still dogheaded enough to make Damo lose a few thousand ducats, and me over ten thousand ducats in a couple wars. I would call that good assessment skills. It seems he understood how far you were willing to go, and gave the minimum financial support to help you go that far. If Austria's in worse financial shape because of that, it's only to his benefit as well, because it makes you more dependent on him, or possibly England, in which case he doesn't have to pay a thing for the same service .

As far as France is concerned, his judgement was less accurate, but economically, he's still better off for the decisions he made. Not unleashing Farnese on Damocles could yet turn out to be a wise decision. France no longer has claims on Spain, I'm pretty sure, which should mean that unless Daniel is hellbent on revenge, there should be nothing standing between friendship for the two countries. I think Daniel saw this possibility early, thinking that Fred would eventually become the main enemy. And indeed, Fred's already grown more powerful than either. If Daniel had fought some tough wars with France early, think of how much more lopsided the balance would be between England and Spa-Fra!

 

[Damocles]

Tonio, Snowball were given the task to construct CK but failed miserably.

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I do not understand references to me in your reports above. I did not play this session. Allmighty played Spain.

SPA owned Apulia, Napoli and Roma. They are now French. Did FRA attack SPA? Damo has repeatedly stated his friendly relations with SPA. I am as confused as I was after the Sunday game.

Is it so that once you let a sub play your nation you can expect all kinds of bad things to happen

Napoli and Apulia are my cores. I've always intended to take them once Turenne came along. What else could I have done? Agree to leave them alone indefinitely? Furthermore, despite your stated stance, Spain was still heavily funding those opposed to France. So I figured I was only harming myself by letting them stab me in the back for fifty years...And then once you came back, to negotiate again.

In any case, England promptly betrayed France and invaded Quebec. So the initial reason I turned against Spain (to secure English goodwill) went up in smoke.

Fighting in North America is hard for France. The English are reformed and have seemingly unlimited troops, as well as access to the entire 60k a year mercenary pool while empty their manpower. It seems like we will be forced to give up a chunk of land there. Though, it was amazing that the war has lasted long enough to give English 5 WE to France's 2.

So it will appear that we will need to give in to Fredric's demands. Though, your ships sure have embargoed me FOREVER. Don't they ever need to return to port? lol.

EDIT: What is particularly frustrating is that I still have 250k in France under Turenne and a full manpower pool. But they can't get to Quebec.

 

[Damocles]

Yeah, as i thought.
In the mean time, Damocles promised me that he would not invade Netherlands if we were to fight the iberians. In fact, he told me that he would protect Netherlands if needed be :wacko:

The English did suspect this kind of policy from the French, they're not to be trused. The English king is neither happy with the French invasion of Italy.
In fact, we prefer this land to be Spanish.

The English king is willing to disregard from the hostility Spain showed by embargoing us, as Spain is obviously being crushed by the French.
This require a more neutral possition against England if it is to work in the first place.


Spain lost Cuba with the COT,
any lenient peace whatsover after this agressive Spanish policy was out of question.

OH come on!

The only reason you prefer South Italy to be Spanish is because you prefer the Spanish cuba cot to be ENGLISH.

And again, I just couldn't risk a high manpower, high income Spain being hostile to me for 50+ years of Turenne's lifespan until Dan came back. I had to take a risk in whom I could more accurately line up my foreign policy with. I chose England...and that turned out in me losing provinces to him. Live and learn.

I have no quarrels with you keeping what you took. If I (or my sub) DOWs and then loses the war I normally hold no grudges against my opponent.

I believe the attitude of ENG is excellent news for SPA and I hope that Allmighty agree with that.

Excuse me? Spain was only trying to defend Portugal. And you both lost cots to England and Netherlands. Yet you can give away that loss...Yet French cores in Italy are somehow sacred? You and Fred are making me out to be the boogeyman here. There couldn't be a more rediculous conclusion.

 

[Damocles]

Furthermore, whats this bullshit about me and Daniel ever having an agreement? We never did. So don't even go there.

He came in and subbed one session, and then he left for another 50 years. I never once came to any pact with him. We never even talked.

His Spain then continued to fund Austria. What the hell was I supposed to do? Not use Turenne?

Beyond that, I declared war on Spain while they were letting Portugal fight England one on one.

And now...Daniel is fine with the loss of a Cuban cot, yet because of some imaginary betrayal by myself, he is up in arms over Apulia?

Get real. Maybe once you're back we can come to a true agreement, but lets not delude ourselves that we had anything except mutual contempt of Austria's policies.

In the end, I lost out. I thought England would appreciate my stance prohibiting her gangbang. Instead, I am losing Conneticut and Massachusetts to him for some flippant reason while being embargoed. So if anyone was duplicitous, it was Fredrik.

It is just the height of irony that Daniel now feels England is his friend? Get a fucking clue man! He took your Cuban CoT. I took my core with Turenne.

 

[Fredrik82]

The English king hereby announce that negotiations with selling Cuba to Venice is ongoing.

 

[Fredrik82]

As far as France is concerned, his judgement was less accurate, but economically, he's still better off for the decisions he made. Not unleashing Farnese on Damocles could yet turn out to be a wise decision. France no longer has claims on Spain, I'm pretty sure, which should mean that unless Daniel is hellbent on revenge, there should be nothing standing between friendship for the two countries. I think Daniel saw this possibility early, thinking that Fred would eventually become the main enemy. And indeed, Fred's already grown more powerful than either. If Daniel had fought some tough wars with France early, think of how much more lopsided the balance would be between England and Spa-Fra!

Pretty amusing that you still try to make it sound like France-Spain is better off being friends and ally against England. When it's in fact France that is the hostile party against Spain.
That took three provinces in two offensive wars while Spain was busy in the New world.

 

[Fredrik82]

His Spain then continued to fund Austria. What the hell was I supposed to do? Not use Turenne?

That is pretty lame reasons you mention really,
as you make it sound like it is unusual that Spain fund Austria in the first place

It is no secret that France is pushing for 300D income, a France that got the same amount of MP as the OE, more then Russia.

Something had to be done, England took the initiative for the sake of world balance and peace. We surely dont want it on our conscience that we ignored all warning signs about a French warmachine to come.

 

[Damocles]

That is pretty lame reasons you mention really,
as you make it sound like it is unusual that Spain fund Austria in the first place

It is no secret that France is pushing for 300D income, a France that got the same amount of MP as the OE, more then Russia.

Something had to be done, England took the initiative for the sake of world balance and peace. We surely dont want it on our conscience that we ignored all warning signs about a French warmachine to come.

My income is 212...highest 220ish.

You beat me in a war. Fair and square. I turned my back on you, you capitalized on that and thrashed me overseas. I have no qualm with England.

I do have a qualm with having it twisted to where Spain losing french cores Naples and Apulia to Turenne is anywhere less bad then Spain losing a Cuban cot to an England which even has the Copenhagen one.

Do you see where I am coming from?

 

[Fredrik82]

Do you see where I am coming from?

No, i don't.
England took cuba in a defensive war, we could had taken alot more if we wanted to. Not atleast Mexico.

But we prefer Spain to be in a good shape so they atleast will stand the slightest chance against a future invasion from France.
Simple.

 

[Fredrik82]

Btw, France will get -1 stab edited in for not accepting a stabhit before the session ended.
It was just a matter of days until the stab hit would take place.

 

[Tonioz]

Heh, after getting 3 provinces from Spain, France is trying to convice Spain it`s their guilt Propaganda machine going on after Spain was not pleased with
- Luxembourg case
- Alsase & Pfalz case
- south Italy case
- and as far as i understand there was secret deal, so France should help Spain vs NL ? France dowed Spain instead :rofl:

and looks like Spain still wants to be friendly with France after all, lol. I guess if 3 lessons are not enough, nothing will help :wacko: the story of lamb ?

Still wonder if there are people who trusts Damocles propaganda, except his natural allies ?

I may remind besides:
- Damocles promised by own not to have claims at Austria, and took Alsase and Pfalz just after that in easy secure rape
- Damocles promised that "Spain won`t see Turenne", so dowed them in 1627 and then five years later to grab 3 rich italian provinces

Heh, i guess Turenne will steamroll Austria now

 

[Allmighty]

Frederick what about to sell cuba with tc again back ti spain?

a)I hope it will be good deal
b)After cuba i think we can talk about fully alliance between our countries.

Just let me know what you are thinking about that in icq.

 

[Damocles]

No, i don't.
England took cuba in a defensive war, we could had taken alot more if we wanted to. Not atleast Mexico.

But we prefer Spain to be in a good shape so they atleast will stand the slightest chance against a future invasion from France.
Simple.

Thats rediculous.

Frederick what about to sell cuba with tc again back ti spain?

a)I hope it will be good deal
b)After cuba i think we can talk about fully alliance between our countries.

Just let me know what you are thinking about that in icq.

Thats even more rediculous.

Btw, France will get -1 stab edited in for not accepting a stabhit before the session ended.
It was just a matter of days until the stab hit would take place.

Then stabhit me in game. It does not matter if it would have happened 'days before the session ended'. If you edit my stab lower, I will quit this game. Because that would be setting a very unfortunate precedent.

Flippantly announcing that you're taking GM's perogative to edit a fairly punitive stab hit against me along with an oh so cute smiley face is contempuous.

I've already agreed to your damn peace demands.

 

[Fredrik82]

Then stabhit me in game. It does not matter if it would have happened 'days before the session ended'. If you edit my stab lower, I will quit this game. Because that would be setting a very unfortunate precedent.

Flippantly announcing that you're taking GM's perogative to edit a fairly punitive stab hit against me along with an oh so cute smiley face is contempuous.

I've already agreed to your damn peace demands.

As i recall it, i sent you a stabhit before we ended, which you never answered. My memory might fail me though.

For next time however, i will edit in a stabhit if someone doesn't answer it before the game ends, or in the middle of a rehost.
To prohibit people from exploiting it.

I'm not accusing you for anything here Damo, as i cant say for sure what happend.
but this is the way i normaly GM my games, and it is a rather normal way to act in other games aswell.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Furthermore, despite your stated stance, Spain was still heavily funding those opposed to France. So I figured I was only harming myself by letting them stab me in the back for fifty years...And then once you came back, to negotiate again.

I did not fund AUS the last session I played. And I have instructed Allmighy not to send any money to AUS last Sunday's session. I assume he followed these instructions.

State

1. what nations I have "heavily" funded
2. and how you know anything about that

I know the answer and it will be interesting to see your response.

Napoli and Apulia are my cores. I've always intended to take them once Turenne came along. What else could I have done? Agree to leave them alone indefinitely?

Yes. It takes an IQ of around 80 to understand that this is an alternative.

It takes 70 to understand that our friendship, bought for Rousillon, would be severly harmed if you did.

Thus there exists only two alternatives:

1. Your IQ is at the chimpanzee level
2. You do not give much for friendship with SPA

Thus it is you who have made the choice.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Then stabhit me in game. It does not matter if it would have happened 'days before the session ended'. If you edit my stab lower, I will quit this game. Because that would be setting a very unfortunate precedent.

Flippantly announcing that you're taking GM's perogative to edit a fairly punitive stab hit against me along with an oh so cute smiley face is contempuous.

I strongly agree with Damo on this. I have never heard of such an edit. We all "lose" stab hits that way now and then. I have never heard anyone make an objection to that before and I simply believe that edits should be kept to a minimum in all games. This kind of edit that hurts a player and is not listed in the rules should definitely be avoided.

That you Fredrik now apparently plan to start editing in stab hits during rehosts (are you really???) sounds very strange to me.

 

[admiral drake]

I did not fund AUS the last session I played. And I have instructed Allmighy not to send any money to AUS last Sunday's session. I assume he followed these instructions.

State

1. what nations I have "heavily" funded
2. and how you know anything about that

I know the answer and it will be interesting to see your response.




Yes. It takes an IQ of around 80 to understand that this is an alternative.

It takes 70 to understand that our friendship, bought for Rousillon, would be severly harmed if you did.

Thus there exists only two alternatives:

1. Your IQ is at the chimpanzee level
2. You do not give much for friendship with SPA

Thus it is you who have made the choice.

so far damo played better then you daniel so i wonder what your IQ is if his is that low

 

[Allmighty]

Guys please stop this shit. Of course everyone here has less IQ than me so thatswhy just stop to shit each other. I think damocles could left italy for spain bit he hasn done it so it was his choice and no one can blame him for that.

But also no one can blame spain in an alliance with england in future :rofl: