Battlefront III - Gearing for war

[Rezag]

I assure you Rezag, I didn't waste my time inventing fictitious reasons for my actions. You made certain...statements regarding my behavior, that needed to be clarified from a strategic pov. They have been given. Even these are not good enough for the self-righteous Russians, but at least I have not shirked from providing the logic behind my maneuvers.

I do understand you logic and reasons to act and there is nothing wrong in them .

I just answered to Sweden that he should think why France seeked acceptance of world community now thats allways tricky thing to do and Russia is against accepting France reasons to concider what it did honorable etc. France is as disshonorab as is Austrias stubbornes no matter how France king wishesh to try find all to accept he was honorable and worked for balance.

It has rewards if you act and all other nations bless your actions its diplomatic and I have my own queses why you seeked this .

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Persuaded by the eloquence by Monsieur Damocles SPA declares themselves satisfied if the said vassalisation takes place, however without Austria ceding provinces to the Ottomans.

And yes, I did not send one ducat to Austria during this war. I remember Damo writing such a message during the game, but it is entirely false. I simply lost interest in subsiding Austria after the previous war.

 

[Damocles]

Persuaded by the eloquence by Monsieur Damocles SPA declares themselves satisfied if the said vassalisation takes place, however without Austria ceding provinces to the Ottomans.

If the Ottoman Empire is not compensated by receiving two provinces as well, then Tonioz's plot would have succeeded. I.E, to try and coerce to have them returned or released based on the force of my earlier statements, while being given breathing space to try and draw out the war with the Ottomans until 1615. And furthermore, to work on the Ottoman uneasiness about their coming event or possible Russian intervention. KJ only circumvented this by a fine piece of generalship that saw his last 100k Ottoman troops finish off the remaining Austrian army while simultaneously offering Tonio an scandalously leniant peace for only Istria. So he snatched it. KJ then gave this province away to another.

Simply releasing without compensating the Ottomans would play right into slippery little Tonioz' hands. And I would rather be seen as cold when the situation mandated it then let another be shafted on my behalf. Thus, Alsace and Pfalz will only be released as vassals, provided the Ottoman Empire is allowed to choose two additional provinces at Austria's expense. Not only would this be fair, it would provide a buffer zone on the Rhine.

To do anything less, would be to make an insult to the considerable expense that the Ottoman Empire endured.

EDIT: Perhaps we should wait to hear what KJ's provincial demands will be as well. I doubt he is going to ask for Bohemia and Vienna. lol.

 

[Fredrik82]

Sorry, the dozens of leaders which you wish to use against France isn't worth any amount of money you have. Also keep in mind if you insist on warring me over this, & on some off chance I win, I will annex Prussia for your trouble.

This has nothing to do with France,
this is about the balance of northern europe.
We won't accept the idea that Sweden is trying to prevent Prussia from forming. It's just unacceptable, Sweden will suffer a great deal if they are stubborn enough to stick to it. You will definetely gain new enemies and Brandenburg will gain alot of support in there struggle. We will do our best to prevent Swedish present in the new world, further actions might be taken if necessary.

It's up to the Swedes to decied..

 

[unmerged(10894)]

I will be on holiday next week so I won't be playing. However I will be around for diplomacy until about Monday. Hopefully I can get Drake, but we'll see.

 

[King John]

I would like Banat and Odenburg, or alternately, I would take just Steiermark, as it's a good prov. Either or is a good deal I suppose, since it'd give Austria a screen against France, and Alsace and Pfalz are worth more than either deal anyway.

Otherwise, perhaps we could settle this by editting a state of war between France, the OE, and Austria . Take Austria's mp pool down to around 0, and delete all its troops except 40k, with French and Ottoman control editted over all the provs we controlled right before the end of the war. If you want to do that, I'd be willing to give up Krain in the place of Istria, I'm sure Damocles would return his two provs, and we could see what would've happened if Damo hadn't sent that stabhit.

Oh, Austria's stab would need to be editted to -2 also, and max WE editted in. What do you say? Since Tonio got shafted so bad, it's only fair to offer another chance .

 

[Tonioz]

Probably i`m stupid, why i don`t undestand why i should agree treat kind offer that
- France releases 2 vassals, which can be 10 years later dipannexed by them
- I should cede 2 pure own provinces to OE for french vassals
- Buffer zone will be created not for Austria, but for France, which can easily invade Austria again by any foolish reason

And i said i don`t sign any deal with buggers, specially when they can easily broke their own words following Machiavelli principles. So only benefit from deal to them get extra duties and not rights. Besides enough to read Machiavelli quoting in Damocles signature. And i don`t think the bugger who argues about another game to honour war in current game, should be treated well.

By dowing me they already think i shouldn`t fight "to cut losses", even when they have WS +0. But OE wants to invest in one war 13K, then 7K and they don`t want to cut losses. France stupidly wasted 2K on sieging/assaulting without fighting at all, and they don`t cut losses, ha-ha.

My max WE in last war was +6. Total recieved ducats for 10 years i rate as 700-1000 ducats, which is like 14-20K infantry per year or 6-9K cavalry.

Well, i`ve already told a session ago, that i won`t be given any chance to get rather fair war vs OE, like it happened again. And later Turenne will take care about that.

I appeciate much that GM in game decided to wait until his Bej`s event over while there is no Austria and only then end the game, despite on promised rehost by icq.

Wondering if FRA-OE alliance going to play even more safetly to reach more easy victories. That is last what i told about this.

 

[Rezag]

But dont worry Tonio France will keep you alive so he can continue telling all other nations how hes weak and Austria powerfull. He dont want to actually face challenge its better try look martyr than even addmit hes greedy bastard like WE all other are .

But all should just trust and love France the fortress of balance, honor and judge alone when others should peace hail France why worry about coming great France leaders he dont have any Turrene Nappy who are they some useless quys its all the yber and dangerous Austria Bra etc who threathen poor minor France.

And most fun he keep telling how you have ruined or are ruining Austria and in next sentence tell how yber you are. So he will continue to work with OE against Austria because we all know Spain stopped funding Austria its MP is same level with Poland income minor too but you get great leaders and hunreds of thousands ducat while other nations fight your war for you and how Austria is on the gates of OE capital :rofl:.

Yet he dont dare to annex you because then he might have to face reality and addmit what France truly is evil monster that wants nations like OE take the blame in eyes of world community for getting rid of Austria once and for all so France can at the end come to rescue against terrible muslim hordes

 

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Meh come on Rezag, youve missed every major point of his arguments .

 

[juv95hrn]

If the proposed deal is to be fair, considering the situation at hand and not going back to what happened during the war, shouldn't Austria be allowed to reqonquer the two Rhine provinces while letting OE conquer two others on the Balkan? Releasing them as vassals do sound like it would be a bad deal for Austria to accept as it stands now.

I know KJ is joking about editing back the situation that was during the war and I'm glad he is. If he was serious and it would be done I couldn't stand it since I am very much against that kind of what-if edits!

Sweden has been on a free roll since the start of the campaign so I'm happy to see that someone is finally setting down his foot voicing concern over the BoP in central Europe.

 

[Rezag]

Meh come on Rezag, youve missed every major point of his arguments .

I missed them on purpose Russia is not interested if France OE and Austria make deal France proposed or if its fair or not.

Russia has like France king has allready told its own reason for propaganda against France.

France has done as evil or even greater evil than Austria. Austria sin has been that it defends realy long and hard and this France sees as greatest evil and disshonorable act. Russia just has another view .

 

[unmerged(21338)]

Sweden on a free roll? England steals one of the most important pieces of property to Sweden, Sweden gets no Baltic Claims or German lands, & you think it is a free roll since the start of the campaign:rofl: The BoP in central Europe = crap. You have an Austria who will eventually explode into tons of little pieces in one of her frequent nothing or death wars, a Brandenburg with surprisingly little inclination to actually attempt to fill the Austrian vacuum, & a Sweden with some of the poorest sliders I have seen (stuck somewhere between naval & military power, making them poor at both). If you really think England & the Netherlands stealing my only cot, & moving on to economic domination of the game is in the interest of the balance of power your sadly mistaken. As things are the balance of power in central Europe needs an overhaul, & I intend to do it one way or the other because someone has got to go to leave the rest of the players any chance of holding up to the rest of the world.

 

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Juv, I'd say if any nation, it'd be England that's been on a free roll.

 

[Tonioz]

Juv, OE wanted 1 province in the war - they got it (though looks like Venice wanted more this province, despite droped any claims at Istria at 1520).
France didn`t want, ha-ha, 2 provinces - they got them violating own unasked promises.

Why should OE receive 2 provinces more, which they didn`t want in the war result ?

repeating again: i`m of course stupid, and my logic is plain. Lack of wide mouse long tongue propaganda bitching. Yes, of course it is sin to defend only your country, i admit it. And it is clearly seen that if Austria would give provinces quickly, like it is asked many time and for what Austria was blamed, Austria would have more cut.

Coz OE doesn`t have CRT, and he dowed 4 times of 4 for CRT advantage war, i can logically suggest that this times it will be 2 on 1 war to help poor OE.

 

[juv95hrn]

Juv, I'd say if any nation, it'd be England that's been on a free roll.

Agreed. One wonders who let them get away with it? I feel guiltless as an innocent child in this matter.


Let's see...

Venice doesn't have claims to Istria except that it doesn't much appreciate OE owning it.
This opinion is communicated to both Austria and OE.
Both parties says they understand.
Austria promised it would not cede Istria to OE.
OE demanded Istria.
Austria agrees to cede it. (surprisingly!)
OE offered to sell it to Venice. (surprisingly!)

Tonio. If you really think that I should actually refuse an offer to purchase Istria from OE and hold it against Venice that I did so, even after I offered to sell it back to you and after you promised you wouldn't cede it in the first place and I said I was happy with Austria owning it and still am... geez... :wacko:

 

[unmerged(38752)]

Agreed. One wonders who let them get away with it? I feel guiltless as an innocent child in this matter.

Its all because I subbed England. I am so cute that people just can't DoW me

 

[unmerged(6147)]

Its all because I subbed England. I am so cute that people just can't DoW me

Or perhaps that I play SPA in this game and am always so kind to you.

In contrast to FAL in the Sunday game who as SPA in a similar timeframe squashed your England.

 

[King John]

i`m of course stupid

Fine Tonio, you win this argument .


However, most of what you said is like most of what you've said in this game thread, a twist on reality bent on serving Austria's interests, not truthful commenting about the situation in this game. I know you're not really stupid, or dense, but you're pushing your propoganda a little further than tenable given the blatant lack of connection to what's really happened.

 

[unmerged(38752)]

Or perhaps that I play SPA in this game and am always so kind to you.

In contrast to FAL in the Sunday game who as SPA in a similar timeframe squashed your England.

That England just squashed your Portugal, killed your entire fleet

 

[Rezag]

Fine Tonio, you win this argument .


However, most of what you said is like most of what you've said in this game thread, a twist on reality bent on serving Austria's interests, not truthful commenting about the situation in this game. I know you're not really stupid, or dense, but you're pushing your propoganda a little further than tenable given the blatant lack of connection to what's really happened.

Now this is not Russian view or my view for this game. Just my personal view in general for this treaty.

I seem to miss why it would be good idea for nation to give up 2 province that would give another nation direct access to his capital when he gets nothing in exchange of them. 2 vasals released for France who can annex them in 10 years and so get around hes own words of not wanting nothing but just to change them to land other nation would have taken instead so that would come for free and 2 province accidently taken would still not go back where they then would have been.

Now I understand that had France not got those provinces they would be part of Austria but then OE would have taken likely more land 2 province more maybe? So maybe you could point where this offer in anyway is like that situation?

It means that the result of war would have been 2 vasals that would have been handed over to France 3 province to OE so I dont see how this would reflect in anyway so mutch talked what if situation.

If you want what if situation done by treaty then dont try get around it so obviously instead resturn what would never have been lost and ask what maybe would have been asked not something completely different. Or addmit that France too wanted land as then this would reflect that what if situation what has been proposed.

Well off to army so youll get peace from my annoying posts for 5 days atleast .