Battlefront III - Gearing for war

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actually, it means that if you have at least one from each triple, you get the event.

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Ie. you can get the event with as little as 3 provinces (f.ex. own just 24,25,26) and you can avoid it with a maximum of 6 provinces still in your hands (don't own 24,27 and 159, or don't own 25, 163 and 167 or don't own 26,169, 194)

Excellent Forzaa,

This means Portugal will get Ayacucho and FAL "a long nose", as the Swedish proverb goes.

Bocaj, I forgot all about what we spoke in the beginning. Too bad I did not think of it or you reminding me.

And then on Jan 2 1641 all of these gold provinces will come back to Spain.

 

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Fredrik,

I was caught a little unaware when you asked me to perm SPA. I am happy to do so, however I will be on vacation in Portugal for 14 days soon. This means I can play the next session but not the two thereafter. I will try and find a sub.

After that it's old reliable Daniel again.

 

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Excellent Forzaa,

This means Portugal will get Ayacucho and FAL "a long nose", as the Swedish proverb goes.

Bocaj, I forgot all about what we spoke in the beginning. Too bad I did not think of it or you reminding me.

And then on Jan 2 1641 all of these gold provinces will come back to Spain.

Actually I sent you several messages that you did not reply to. I gave you plenty of warning (to the tune of 5-6 times), but you didn't reply to 60% of my messages, which I can only assume you missed for one reason or another. o

 

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Actually I sent you several messages that you did not reply to. I gave you plenty of warning (to the tune of 5-6 times), but you didn't reply to 60% of my messages, which I can only assume you missed for one reason or another. o

I guess you never played with Daniel. He is so focused on the game that he tends to miss around 60% of all messages, when he is in war it is more like 95%

 

[admiral drake]

Demand anything from me they could but achieve it is far from certain with such powerful, aggressive neighbours all around. If not so why didn't Spain push on? The relentless naval pursuits stopped very sudden when I informed of the diplomatical situation and the Spanish king himself suggested white peace. That raping Venice further would potentially lead to attempt at vengeance later on was finally seen although I had hoped it should have been understood from the start. The war ended in strict neutrality. One devious act for another.

The merciful "fast white peace" still cost Venice 2300d in naval losses and the promised discussions never materialized. Why should Venice bleed for the Habsburgs without so much as a motivation or a thank you? Venice doesn't need to make excuses to see the lack of profitability in following such a policy. If the Habsburgs pretend to be friendly to Venice it's high time they start showing so in word and in deed!

i agree with tonio youre actions was a insult to me and bocaj and only reason i peaced was tonio asking me to i would have looted youre entire realm , burned any manufactury ect and destroyed what was left of youre fleet otherwise

 

[Cicero]

do we have a commiting rule now about map trading with capital sacking?
í´ve been asked a several times last session to sell my maps. on my answer maptrading is forbidden i got the reply it could be done by capital sacking, obviously the asking nations dont think thats against the rules. so is it or not?

of course i didnt sell my maps because if its not against the rules its at least unhonorable. and i dont wont to lose my reputation and sell my soul like the filthy iberian cheaters and their swedish lackeys did.

 

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Juv, I find it crazy that you call your backstabbing of the Habsburgs and sacking of capitals 'entrepreneurship', and find it no problem to back with your former ally's enemies without any provocation whatsoever. As well as this, you seem to see yourself as a mercenary and neutral, however I notice that you will engage in diplomacy with certain nations and totally snub others. I hope people will realise that Venice cannot be trusted.

 

[Tonioz]

well, my position for every war that i fight while i have standing army. So even when funding was restricted, i could kick OE three times to under stabhit value, so it was enough reasonable to fight. What KJ says is his own opinion for own benefit. Besides he spent first three-four years of war without getting positive WS, and for some time i occupied his 3 provinces and he didn`t want to peace.

At the moment of ctd i just lost battle in Banat, while assaulting it - it would allow to go under stabhit WS again, but the campaign is finally lost with about 40K left.

So i agree to give demanded Krain and Croatia to OE letting themselves further easy occupying of Hungary.

As to Spain, i`m asking to edit them Lux back. KJ, you can rape me not only in 1535, but now five year later without problems, because i have more than 4 times income less and my own funds won`t be enough for more than couple years of the war. Anyway i could hardly find honour in your previous wars if you dowed your opponents 5 times, and 4 of them were with CRT on your side.

 

[Tonioz]

Venice already IS out of the Habsburg alliance. Venice never promised to stay in it forever nor got much, sorry any, encouragement to do so.?

Venice got italian lands, which could be taken by Austria and Spain, Venice could get iberian maps, so they quitted alliance. Logical.

Leaving it was an active advice to the Habsburgs to increase their diplomatical efforts. Failing to contact Venice after last weeks incident might have had something to do with this decision. Venice will remain neutral as long as she feels it benefits her own security.

Funny, very funny. New Spain appeared in the game, when it started, and i really don`t understand how he could to contact Venice.
Well, i signed RM with you after the session began and told about all my positive attitude to Venice. For that during the war i was asked to pay Venice MA, so it was cancelled and MA for OE was sold out.
Before that i specially asked you about possible France-Austria war and MA case and you showed big intension to give MA to France, whish is letting them attack Austria deeply through Veneto. I like neutrality.

It's also very strange how France "gave" parts of Italy to me and the Habsburgs as well. Can't you guys decide who really did?

Very interesting. France took 5 provinces of Italy, including CoT, rest are very rich, but Piedmonte. Spain limitted to only one Rome. It is well-known for you that i refuced from claims at Italy for your benefit, and i hoped to do steps to let you own more north Italy. The quoted arguement is absurd.

 

[juv95hrn]

Juv, I find it crazy that you call your backstabbing of the Habsburgs and sacking of capitals 'entrepreneurship', and find it no problem to back with your former ally's enemies without any provocation whatsoever. As well as this, you seem to see yourself as a mercenary and neutral, however I notice that you will engage in diplomacy with certain nations and totally snub others. I hope people will realise that Venice cannot be trusted.

As of now I have broken no treaties whatsoever so what's up with the trust issue? I never promised I wouldn't try to sack anyone's capital for maps if I could. I did pay for doing so but backstabbing? What had Spain ever done for Venice to be expecting undying fidelity? That the attack came as a nasty surprise I don't doubt but had Venice ever hinted at not wanting to gain maps, even at the cost of war?

I allied with Austria to force France to open her COTs to Venetian trade, something that was imperative at the time when world maps wasn't available but never promised a never ending alliance with the Habsburgs. Venetian relations with Austria are not bad but I didn't feel like giving military access to either side without being given some financial compensation since I was under severe pressure to rebuild my navy after the Spanish, understandable, reaction.

Also it is a bit of a RP-act. I prefer to stir up some conflicts, take some risks early, get some heated diplomacy going, for fun, instead of spending the first couple of hundred years teching without any human wars like most of Western Europe in this campaign. Look at it from the bright side, thanks to me you can say that you engaged in a human war in difference to all the other colonial powers.

It seems the Habsburg is going to hate Venice eternally for grabbing maps without consent, something that was willingly given to Sweden much earlier along with a COT, against the rules. Well nothing much I can do about that now.

 

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Actually I sent you several messages that you did not reply to. I gave you plenty of warning (to the tune of 5-6 times), but you didn't reply to 60% of my messages, which I can only assume you missed for one reason or another. o

Oh shit, same old story with me reading the log badly.

 

[Fredrik82]

do we have a commiting rule now about map trading with capital sacking?
í´ve been asked a several times last session to sell my maps. on my answer maptrading is forbidden i got the reply it could be done by capital sacking, obviously the asking nations dont think thats against the rules. so is it or not?

of course i didnt sell my maps because if its not against the rules its at least unhonorable. and i dont wont to lose my reputation and sell my soul like the filthy iberian cheaters and their swedish lackeys did.

Yes, it is against the rule.
Jesus, how many times do i need to say this?

Bocaj, Drake, Tonio, Juv.
It was nothing wrong whatsover with Juvs move to take Portugese maps.

And i dont think any of you guys should whine at juv for not being honorable,
he did what this game allowed him to do, and also expected him to do.

The no map trading rule is also there to encourage more wars early on, maps are probably one of the most precious things this early.

Also, Venice got the luxury to choose it's ally carefuly, even switch allies when it please her.

 

[Fredrik82]

STATS

 

[admiral drake]

Yes, it is against the rule.
Jesus, how many times do i need to say this?

Bocaj, Drake, Tonio, Juv.
It was nothing wrong whatsover with Juvs move to take Portugese maps.

And i dont think any of you guys should whine at juv for not being honorable,
he did what this game allowed him to do, and also expected him to do.

The no map trading rule is also there to encourage more wars early on, maps are probably one of the most precious things this early.

Also, Venice got the luxury to choose it's ally carefuly, even switch allies when it please her.

i wasn't insulted by the mapstealing itself
i'm insulted he expected me to be lenient , that he thinks he deserved maps for helping austria vs france something me and port had barely anything to do with
and worse insult of it all is he dared to ask me for compensation of lost ships in the progress

 

[Tonioz]

War losses.
Austria: 528K infantry + 330K cav
OE: 971K infantry + 332K cav

Austria cost: 5 610 ducats
OE: 13 719 ducats

I hope this digits please you Daniel.

Spanish yearly cash income on 25% minting to get 0 inflation:
1 549 ducats.

Austrian costs of ~50K yearly recruits (that was my recharge rate), meaning i built about 30K infantry and 20K cavalry:
330 ducats.

Spain could support this war by less than 30% of their free cash income.

 

[Tonioz]

by the way, Damocles, to please you i increased my centalization by 4 for 26 years

 

[Tonioz]

Daniel, after first dow of OE, when he demanded 1 500 ducats, KJ spent them on galleys to dow Spain.

Instead of this war, which you abandon at 3000 ducats funding, OE could build 1 000 galleys to attack you

 

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Interesting numbers Tonio. Especially for a SPA that had 12% inflation for the whole session.

Anyway, you number exercise imply that if just had sent you more money you could have built more soldiers and kept up an even fight. But I looked at a save from 1591 and in the end save. In both you are far from the cap of your MP pool.

In the 1591 save you have around 120k in armies and 59 in your MP pool and 313d in your treasury. And this is after my 4 year's pause.

In the end save you have 36 in your MP pool.

Did you ever "lose" soldiers by not having money to build them while your MP pool was full?

I believe that a vital part of your defeat was that KJ reached LT 18 somewhere along the road (before 1790) while you did not.

 

[Tonioz]

and minor notice, when KJ told that he financed so much because "Tonio stubborness". Well, he lost at least half troops when i was funded enough - whole period before LT18 and year-two after LT18.

So OE invested more than 6 500 ducats in this war already to get WarScore near 0 (we had close to 0 until i lost enough funding), refucing the peace. Investing a lots for years and calling me stubborn for that when i tryed to come back (and even could do that) with limitted funding being stabhitted last 2 years doesn`t sounds objective from this point of view.

 

[Tonioz]

Daniel, i lost a lot of MP at occupied areas by OE and rebels. I remember the year when i had 300 ducats, which i immedialy started to convert to soldiers. Before i took two lagloans on about 10 ducats, crossing this edge. So i spent them on soldiers too by my own.

The idea that while my lands were not much occupied, i had enough MP to stop OE even with their CRT and nice Arsan with fire 5. The ducats should fill the treasury accordingly and not rapidly. For the time i couldn`t build the army, OE took almost whole Hungary, whole Croatia and even Vienna. At this day i attacked my last army of 50K Vienna siege several times, but always lost by morale.

Then the funding came back again, but i had to take forts back and was stabhitted at this time. I could do that a bit to balancing the edge of stabhit, but it is easier to defend than retake forts with CRT disadvantage, right ? At last 46K cavalry OE army was destroyed completely. Well, when i had 110-150K army i could defend my borders effectively, and this army was cut not because of MP, but because of ducats. Croatia, Krain and some other provinces later was even sieged by OE instead of assaulting just because low austrian troops and too much provinces for retaking.