btw, could someone please correct my name in the stats if its not too much work. i dont like reading "Cisco".
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* French cores in Italy (check event)
* Austrian RR in Wurtemburg.
what else?
* French cores in Italy (check event)
* Austrian RR in Wurtemburg.
what else?
So, you get disconnected from internet entirely or it just "dive" and loose synch ?ForzaA said:meh, it just ain't fun with all those stupid disconnects
You should perhaps scan your computer, incase of virus or spy programs etc.
Also, throw out your router out of the window if you got any and replace it with a normal switch or modem.
I really want to keep you in the game, but if the crashes continue we really need to think something out. :/
Fredrik82 said:
for Sweden
* Teutonic order event - the 3220 version, I think (in that case: option A, please
)* Iceland culture
..can't really judge if the braindead fudged up, though (as I have no material to compare), would love to see the relevant saves. Will also talk with FAL if he saw anything (extremely) out of the ordinary.
Rezag said:
Next time I send a force into the Russian steppes, it will be stronger than the Lala expedition. It was apparently not Alah's will that the sunnis in Sibir be liberated yet, but we can be thankful at least that because of the smallness of Lala's attack, there is a greater population left alive to pay for the next expedition
.As for having a love for pagans, it's only that I see their potential for becoming faithful sunni subjects
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Damnit!
My cable died at 1:30 PM and just now came back.
PLEASE tell me I was idle and not AI
FUCK.
I've noticed inexplicably that France is no longer at war with the Swiss. Don't tell me I was AI for 2 years?
My cable died at 1:30 PM and just now came back.
PLEASE tell me I was idle and not AI
FUCK.
I've noticed inexplicably that France is no longer at war with the Swiss. Don't tell me I was AI for 2 years?
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Damocles said:Damnit!
My cable died at 1:30 PM and just now came back.
PLEASE tell me I was idle and not AI
FUCK.
I've noticed inexplicably that France is no longer at war with the Swiss. Don't tell me I was AI for 2 years?
France was idle then Joohoo subbed it and finished your war afaik.
Bocaj said:
What did Joohoo do? Just WP them?
Did he at least convert them back to catholcism as I wanted?
i told Joohoo your intention was to convert them, so he did.
I ctded in end of 1571 i suppose. Strange, that my relations with Koln could drop from stable +200 to under +160.
I ctded in end of 1571 i suppose. Strange, that my relations with Koln could drop from stable +200 to under +160.
King John said:Next time I send a force into the Russian steppes, it will be stronger than the Lala expedition. It was apparently not Alah's will that the sunnis in Sibir be liberated yet, but we can be thankful at least that because of the smallness of Lala's attack, there is a greater population left alive to pay for the next expedition
As for having a love for pagans, it's only that I see their potential for becoming faithful sunni subjects
Sultan is so eager to eat hes words as before he talked that he needed to free those pagans that are followers of allah :rofl:. Might it be that sultans subjects dissacreeded with him and he must now speak of potential subjects poor sultan who was unable to tell difference between pagans and sunni followers.
Wonder why there was not this new yber and Sultans so must talked great attacks with new leaders after Mustapha died.
Allso so brave to Ottomans dared to attack only with army nnumber, crt advantage and leader advantage oh the great, brave and noble Ottoman sultan.
I made mistake with you KJ that wont happen again never will Russia be suprised by OE again and ofcource its clear now that you will allways try to attack with great advantage and will very likely have unreasonable demands but lesson learned next timme there wont be 40k Russian in begining of war but full 150+k with better fortress.
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tssss, Rezag, Damocles will erase you in the dust for KJ`s guilt
tsss, you are exactly repeating the Emperor - leaders, CRT, MP
But this time it was better - at least no WE for Russia when be dowed
Rezag said:
tsss, you are exactly repeating the Emperor - leaders, CRT, MP
But this time it was better - at least no WE for Russia when be dowed
Fredrik82 said:
Please allow me to stir up some trouble
Where did you announce this? I can't find it in the thread.
In fact, when you wrote:
Fredrik82 said:Any owner that control enough gold in the Americas that can justify a bankrupsy will have the effect edited in for that.
I dont like the scenario, which have happend lots of times in other games, that Spain take a hugh inflation hit from the bankrupsy events and then a few years later someone else takes control of the gold and only get the benefits from it for the rest of the game etc.
It also means that Spain will not be allowed to get away with the bankrupsy by not controling one or two provinces etc to not fire the event. It'll be the same for everyone however.
The gold is very beneficial for the owner indeed, this way it is more fair for a event that is extremely unfair to start with.
Thoughts?
I was quite happy, since I thought you had the same opinion as me on this matter.
Tonioz said:tssss, Rezag, Damocles will erase you in the dust for KJ`s guilt
Strangely, the further away a country is from me, the less need I feel to use propa-, er, rationally deconstruct their arguments.
I wonder why.
Daniel A said:
Yes. Also fake wars for the one purpose of gaining maps are allowed before this if you have a rule interpretation disorder.
Well, as it is known of the world history, Austria was attacked by France for Alsase, and later by OE for 2 balkan provinces with CRT advantage. Spain dowed OE and they fought mostly 1 on 1 at Balcan and north-west Africa. Later Venice joined on the side of Austria to fight vs France. In year 1552 Austria could reach LT14 to gain CRT. Look at the map of 1553:
Ottoman Empire, King John:
OE got +42WS on Austria (mostly because of CRT attacks), the score with Spain was near equal. At 1552 OE got +6 RR for 2 years. WE is 5. Inflation raised to 6.0%, standing army was 14K in north africa, loosing spanish conq there, 9K were at Kouban near enough rebels, 12K were in Hungary, 16K were building in Istambul. MP pool is 157. No generals.
It is definetely seen that war at all costs was not intension of OE.
Spain, Drake:
Fought only vs OE, and the moment of the end of the session (1553) Spain reached nice achievements, but had to put Alba back to Naples because of their rebels. Nice income to send gifts to Austria to let hire cheap troops. Alba 4-4-5
Venice, Juv:
After joining the war and first battles, all italian domains of Venice were occupied by France. Like for Austria before, french forts were assaulted badly for Venice despite CRT. After that Venice concentrated troops on ships and was going to send ducats to Austria to let Austria build cheap troops after Austria got LT14. No generals.
France, Damocles:
Everything seemed rather okay for France. +30WS gained on Venice, +17WS on Austria, +47 total on alliance. Enough cash with 90-100 monthly income and plenty of MP. French army was leaded by Guise 2-2-4 and freshcomers Bourbon and Montgomery, which are minor around 3-3-3. After opening italian front, France didn`t want to go deeply of Austrian lands to beat standing army and stayed at perimeter at Lorraine, Franche-Conte, Lombardia and Firenze. LT13, the next CRT, LT14 should be reached at 1555.
Austria, Tonio:
Austria was stabhitted by OE, but recently received LT14, and low presence of OE troops let put WS under stabhit value rather fast. Alba had to return to Hungary, which made OE ability to go offensive misery, if not heavily minting. France tryed to demand Alsase separately, so didn`t stabhit Austria. No leaders, morale is near equal France, but French rate of assaulting/defending fortresses + battles showed much more french success. Almost no income - it dropped to 20-25 ducats, while army maitenance could go to 12-17 ducats. Stab is -3, WE was max 8.4, census tax about 40-60 ducats at this stage.
Peaceful negotiations:
After failing to achieve easy victory and let Spanish dominant at the moment of the save (1553), OE should take one of two decisions: start minting and send a lot of troops to North Africa and Hungary to fight vs better leaders or drop this war to wp. As it was clearly seen that King John doesn`t want to mint more, while infra5 is not far, his situation was once more described and he accepted the white peace on the following terms:
- OE won`t dow Austria until Austrian WE is zero
- Spain won`t dow France
This gave a lot of benefit to Austria, so it was planned to use Spanish troops for killing Austrian rebels.
Venice tryed to sign white peace with France to drop -30 warscore, but that was failed. France decided to use alliance warscore for constant stabhitting.
The major events of war years:
1553 - no events
march 1554 - Austria receives leader 3-3-4
november 1554 - Austria receives leader 2-3-4-3
1555 - France receives LT14
1555 - Austria received innovation +3 event, choice c)
1556 - Austria chooses b) and improves weapons to offensive 9. That raises the troops costs from 4-8 to 5-10. Austria leaders became shock 5. Austria receives 20 000 cavalry at choice b)
1560 - death of Guise (2-2-4), which is replaced by random same leader (2-2-4)
War Comparations
French MP: 130-140
Austrian MP: 113 with 45% received from vassal. The game wrote that Austria should get 55 recruits per year, which 4,58 per month. In fact Austria received 3 or 4 recruits, so actual recruits rate was like MP 80.
French support: about 170-180
Austria support: top is 140, more often 130, sometimes even 120, because of a lot of rebels
Leadership:
France had Guise 2-2-4, so +2 shock for period 1539-1554, for 15 years.
Austria got 3-3-4 at 1554, so +1 fire (which is not much important for losses in combat, only morale) +0 shock for 1554-1556
It converts to 3-3-5, so +1 fire and +1 shock. Though France had other fire 3 leaders.
Morale: Near equal at 1539-1552 and 1555-1556, then Austria received +0.26 morale boost by event and moving dp slider by 1 offensive. Between 1552 and 1555 Austria had CRT advantage.
Provinces controlled:
France controlled Alsase from Austria
France controlled Mantua, Romagna, Marche, Siena from Venice
Tirol was almost failed to rebels. France had 40K nearby, Austria has troops near Vienna, and most of them were cav, which is not good for mountains.
Strategic role of Alsase:
That meant a lots for successful invasions of France deeply Austrian lands. France could accumulate 70K there if they owns this provinces to attack Baden or Mainz, while another 70K can be accumulated in Lombardia to jump via Tirol, which makes Austria defence weak.
France appeared maximum at Wurzburg, and controlled maximum Alsase, Pfalz and Mainz, refucing from assaults and active fighting easter in this region. So Alsase-Pfalz + river gives enough attrition to stop dominant French MP and support. Cutting this way down by 1 province, which would allow one successful battle over river to gain France the control of Baden-Mainz line. Then Pfalz is lost anyway with future domain Koln.
So this arguement and current war progress showed that it is very important to stay with Alsase, otherwise all west-Rhine`s lands should be lost after that. Meaning that France controlled already insane and richest part of Italy, such loss would mean a lot of damage to Austria and too much dominance of France.
The WAR
1553:
two 30K armies in Pfalz were fighting at the start, which was logically won by defending Autrians with their CRT, though the victory was done with minimal morale gap. Alliance WS became -46, Austria received first alliance stabhit.
After that Austrian army from Pfalz directly moved to east to avoid french attacks until 1554, when new good leaders come. Stabhits became more awful than expected with methodical sending about 5 diplomats per year by France. Spain could bring 20-30K to Hungary and not from beginning, while i hoped Spain can deal with rebels by themselves and let Austria directly fight. That didn`t happen. Naples rebelled later to the state, so Alba appeared in Austria about 1555 only. Spanish troops were sieging back rebels mostly, and fighting minor groops. Austria became busy to fight rebels.
France didn`t force events and take the tactic to remotely stabhit Austria, which works very good. Rebels appeared at Pfalz, then France took them over and assaulted this province. Tirol rebels were tryed to kicked by Austrian 25K and failed when 3K left, at this time French 40K arrived there, killed rebels and assaulted Tirol.
1554:
Austria north-west army was splitted at february to let 3-3-4 leader appear at army near Tirol. Then Tirol was assaulted back, France tryed to react, but assault was fast, so they dropped and stay at borders again. Best possible WE for Austria at 1553-1554 was -42, then returned to -46 again. Venice didn`t take part in action like it planned. France perfectly controlled Italy from Lombardia and Firenze by mass troops and good (alredy prooved that) morale.
French 40K army from Tirol went to Wurtemberg, i simulated attack there by my 45K army under 2-3-4-3 leader, but i was going to fight only definete battles to win, so french army go to Baden, then Alsase and returned to french homeland with around 25K because of attrition. Though for french MP and money it was not hard loss at all.
Stabhitting continued, instead of further fighting Austria turned back except rebels and cleared Bohemia and Austria region, while Spain dealed with Hungary.
France invited Swiss to alliance, which was mistake - they come to Tirol and be always kicked, so easy WS came. But instead Damocles started to stabhit our alliance separately.
1555:
The picture remained the same. Austria started to think to give in demands, because more and more rebels appeared, and there were no massive Spanish present to deal with them. The benefit that we can go kick Swiss after that, because we were separately stabhit, and grab Schwyz for Alsase losses. But i decided to wait at least 1556 and make a try, which would give a final answer to fight or give in demands.
I suppose no battles between France and Austria happened at this period. Tirol was downgraded to minimal fort a long time, so the support there for Austria was only 30K, which was painful, while i saw twice more troops at Lombardia.
1556:
Event fired, our leaders were upgraded to shock 5. 20K free cav received. The troops reached the limit of 130K.
Mantua was rebelled by 3K, then 16K rebels. Austria moved 30K cavalry to Veneto thinking to attack french army (i saw about 40K at this moment), but it was risky because i didn`t know how much France going to place on plains. My goal was to have a very safe battles, because going "under-stabhit" WS was very close target.
But France brought Firenze forces and i saw about 80K at two provinces and stopped my cavalry, specially because French army was leaded by Guise.
So France demonstrated they are quite ready for italian counter-attack and i strongly suspect there are mass cavalry there under rule of Guise.
At this time Damocles switched leaders, so Guise leaded 1K army. I think Damocles simulated attack on Tirol, where 25-30K of my infantry stayed. I thought Damocles merged the army again back under the rule of Guise, but following events show he didn`t.
After a month past, i sent 28K of infantry of 3-3-5 leader from Tirol to Mantua and then 31K cavalry from Veneto were sent to support with the order to go back, so they wouldn`t take part in assault. France immediatly reacted to this thread with small interval and all ~55K army was moved to Mantua.
At the same time 42K north-west army of 2-3-5-2 moved to Mainz to try reach Pfalz. France just killed rebels in Alsase by 20K and was returning to Franche-Conte. Damocles reacted in time, and he reached Pfalz by his 45K army faster, because i need to cross the river, so my army stayed in Mainz. I saw that about 70K are going to make united attack via Pfalz and Alsase at my army at Mainz, and moved down to Baden to avoid this.
When 28K of 3-3-5 reached small fort Mantua, i commanded assault, which were doing quite successful. 30K cav army was moving back to Veneto, when 38K of Guise pure cavalry attacked, so Damocles didn`t merge whole army.
The battle gave not even WS, but was dominant for whole campaign. Guise lost half of morale in fire phase, and 35K of his cav left before shock phase. Low morale gave him less chances for nice roll, so shock phase of 35K cav attacking 25K inf + 30K cav was very bad for France. In several moments he lost an army to 19K cav, before his infantry come to Mantua (and he got good attrition also). So he commanded global retreat, assaulting of Mantua continued, but failed when 3K of 10K defenders left. 30K cav went intercepting french troops to Lombardia and found there less than 1K army, which was annihilated. I suppose that was Guise.
After France retreated to Piedmonte, only 12K left of his starting 60K italian army. That was the month of global austrian victory leaving Austria with shock 5 vs shock 3 and having control at italian plains for about year.
Before the attack Venice was asked to launch assault of Marche, but France didn`t react this siege.
At the same time about 55K of French troops reached Mainz (2nd level fort) and assaulted it. To prevent possible losing 1 WS and getting big battle with attrition at both sides my 42K started moving from Baden to Alsase to be protected by river. So France has to suffer attrition at east river of Rhine or forced to go back via Pfalz, like they did. When they reached Pfalz, my army was moved to Mainz to reassault it back. So there were no battles there, only movements, but French returned with 35K only.
At this time i saw 35K army of France in Pfalz and 20K from Franch-Conte to Piedmonte to help last 12K of italian army. Damocles ctded at this moment, while i was doing assaults of Mainz and Mantua.
After rehost alliance WS dropped from -31 to -12 to France and around 0 if include Swiss, because Mainz and Marche was assaulted. 30K cav of Austria still controlled region from Mantua, while 3-3-5 headed to south for fast assaulting all venetian forts back with venetian troops, which would be easy.
So, in conclusion after taking back Marche and Siena, the WS should become positive for Austria and Venice, specially meaning we could use about 12WS gained from Swiss. With more infantry medium fort Lombardia could be assaulted, which would cost France about 20 WS and give nice support of assaults of Emilia and Firenze. So it is very possible that with Swiss WS Austria will fastly turn to stabhit France, while France is rebuilding and Austria had dominant leaders.
After Damocles judjed this risk, he accepted white peace offer. At this moment all austrian troops went to borders, and about 1/2 of provinces showed rebels
..ehh, is it just me or does that screenie show a disturbing lack of Fog of War?
....not to mention all the funny little symbols where the province names should be
....not to mention all the funny little symbols where the province names should be