Indeed, i will see what i can do though. What other nations is ok for you to play Cicero?Bocaj said:
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If we go with first come-first serve I must point out that I was first with my choice of nations Poland and England although I admit it's an unfair system. I suggested a simple bid system to avoid this and the possibility of favoritism and nepotism. Also I fail to see how being more active than somebody else can make somebody's choice forfeit if that isn't announced beforehand, which it wasn't. I'm nt known to drop, show up late or not at all. Im usually pretty happy-go-lucky with national selections so far but I think all people's wishes should be respected equally. Mine too!
Hope it all sorts out. It's shaping up to be a good campaign with many respectful, skilled and dedicated players.
Hope it all sorts out. It's shaping up to be a good campaign with many respectful, skilled and dedicated players.
Fredrik82 said:
im ok with NL as long as its starts from the first session. i just dont like to join a running game with all valuable colonies taken and all minor nations eaten by humans. the first 50 years of a series are the most interesting, i dont wanna miss that.
I will think about it, it also depends how the scenario develops.Cicero said:
I'm overall negative though, as Holland from a 1520 start tends to become uber way to early. But with the right adjustments it can work.
Perhaps Persia is a better idea, they will be closer to Europe atleast.Javier (Pibe) said:
And mughals is not a very good idea if we lack other nations in the area.
I really want to play England, as i have never played them from start in a MP game before. Same for HG in Poland. I have never seen you playing Brandenburg/Prussia before, i think they will be lots of fun in this campaign really. And they will be given boosts aswell. Please reconsider if you perhaps can stay in Brandenburg or switch with someone that is more willing to change nation.juv95hrn said:
This roster is the best thinkable so far, we will certainly stick with this one.
Fredrik82 said:I really want to play England, as i have never played them from start in a MP game before. Same for HG in Poland. I have never seen you playing Brandenburg/Prussia before, i think they will be lots of fun in this campaign really. And they will be given boosts aswell. Please reconsider if you perhaps can stay in Brandenburg or switch with someone that is more willing to change nation.
This roster is the best thinkable so far, we will certainly stick with this one.
You played them from the start in New Order 3?
I reckon we should have a vinland style nation in the americas instead of Persia or the Mughals. They would have much more dialogue than the Asians would ever achieve.
I ran it past Fredrik but he wasn't so thrilled about it. No idea why though.
I ran it past Fredrik but he wasn't so thrilled about it. No idea why though.
I just want to point out after my discussion with Drake this afternoon :wacko: , that this scenario will not be based on PE 1520. I have used a 1492, so if anything it'll resemble that more in looks. I advise people not to take a nation just because they like how strong or certain attributes that are in PE scenarios, or any other scenario for that matter. I'm pretty sure this scenario is going to be really good, but my purpose for it isn't just to make a slight adaption from another scenario. My advice is that everyone picks their nation due to what type of flavour they want, not because of how they think the scenario will make their nation.
Sorry for not being able to release something for everyone to feast their eyes on yet but I still have a lot of balancing to do before people can really get a feel for how things might be in two weeks time.
Sorry for not being able to release something for everyone to feast their eyes on yet but I still have a lot of balancing to do before people can really get a feel for how things might be in two weeks time.
The geographical situation doesnt differ much from PEs 1520, atleast what i can see. And everyone will be perfectly clear about any changes in the scenario that might affect their country and will be given the scenario in advance before the game starts, right Boc?
This is the roster, with perhaps some changes, that we will use in this game.
It is the same for everyone anyways
This is the roster, with perhaps some changes, that we will use in this game.
It is the same for everyone anyways
uhm, it was in NO2 i took over England after 150 years, i played Austria in NO3 which you should remember if any TonioTonioz said:
Fredrik82 said:The geographical situation doesnt differ much from PEs 1520, atleast what i can see. And everyone will be perfectly clear about any changes in the scenario that might affect their country and will be given the scenario in advance before the game starts, right Boc?
Drake pointed out that Spain will be 6 provinces and 2 CoTs down (flanders and cuzco in south america). What I'm trying to say is that I won't be making a carbon copy of PE 1520. If everyone wants that then what's the point of me making another scenario to use here? Borders will be similar except in the lowlands, but there will be a lot of things that will be different. (Hopefully in a good way.)
All going well sometime this week I will have something workable that people can comment on, so then I have over a week to implement any opinions and ideas that people might have.
Also, I do need to say this. Thanks for waiting, patiently I hope. I would host the scenario for everyone to see, but quite frankly it's not a lot to look at yet. It's still very much a work in progress, but I will keep everyone informed as I go. For now I am naming european cities because scenario editor reset them all to what their regions are called, also researching colonies for Portugal, and have done them for Spain.
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Sounds good Bocaj.
As for Spain, they will be one of the first that can claim lands in the new world so i dont consider that as a problem.
Still havnt figured out what to do with Juv, he needs to compromise things in order to get into the roster me thinks
What's the general opinion about having a Holland from start?
As for Spain, they will be one of the first that can claim lands in the new world so i dont consider that as a problem.
Still havnt figured out what to do with Juv, he needs to compromise things in order to get into the roster me thinks
What's the general opinion about having a Holland from start?
Holland at the start is fine as long as they don't have any maps or freebies.
Of course a benevolent naval sucker might give them some maps, you can never predict these things.
Of course a benevolent naval sucker might give them some maps, you can never predict these things.
Fredrik82 said:Still havnt figured out what to do with Juv, he needs to compromise things in order to get into the roster me thinks
I'm not sure I agree that "compromise" is what I have to do in order to play in this campaign. I'd rather will have to swallow that the GM picks any nation he wants and that all players except me and one other (?) did not get to play his chosen pick.
Well, I'm used to this and I too have never played England and Poland before, and probably never will since they are quite popular. Playing a nation that for a long time is totally dependent on the good will of it's neighbours and other majors is no fun for me as I like to shape my own future in the campaigns although that might not always be such a winning or easy policy to follow. Trade, navies and colonies are fun. That's my motivation for not wanting to play Brandenburg, that never appeared and never will appear on my chosen set of three of first-come-first-serve-most-of-the-time policy of games.
I think using a bid system is as easy and time consuming, and admittedly more fair, as distributing manually. I can play Brandenburg and I won't mention this once the campaign starts for sure but is there any other player that want's to trade nation please feel free to contact me and Fredrik for discussion.
Another thing. I think human mughals are a bad idea wince they will easily close the Siberian corridor and become too powerful in their AI dominated region. Persia, if not chosing to become an eternal vassal of the OE, is a better choice but I'm not sure.
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