Base Tax, Trade Good value, and global economic distribution

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Islands in the Caribbean which today only have several tens of thousands of inhabitants have 5-7 base tax, which is around the average of an average European country. Meanwhile, many provinces in China, Southeast Asia, and India, which would have contained hundreds of thousands to millions of people even in the Middle Ages, have 4 or less.

I can understand not giving China a base tax equal to all of Western Europe, for balance reasons, and I understand that population does not strictly equal base tax, as some populations are poorer than others. However, Europeans should not be drawing in an equivalent amount in non-tariff taxes from their Caribbean holdings as Vietnam gets from it's entire territory.

And it's just as ridiculous that Europeans can make more in taxes from Caribbean holdings than they do from production/tariffs. If you load up the 1792 start date, sugar is worth a wopping ~1.3. Haiti was worth more to France than all of Canada, but in game the income gained from 2 Caribbean provinces will be negligible to even a small European nation.

So, I have a few suggestions (any specifics are likely to be imbalanced, so look more to their general spirit:

Up the tax and manpower in many Asian provinces. This will be more historically accurate in its own right, and also contribute to helping them protect against European conquest that's too early.

Reduce basetax to 1-2 in all uncolonized provinces. Introduce events to increase tax after colonization, but only in areas which received noticeable European immigration (slaves should probably be abstracted as counting towards production instead of tax income).

To compensate, colonial trade goods, especially sugar, should be far more valuable.
 

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Absolutely agree with this; base tax distribution is very screwed up in the colonial arena. There are some islands which in the present day have something like 50 inhabitants that have 5+ base tax.
 

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The Caribbean islands are poor now. Then? Well France gave up Quebec to retain Martinique. The sugar islands were very valuable to whoever held them until about 1750-1800.

Put simply, arguing for a redistribution of values on the basis that the caribbean should be worthless is misreading history badly. There was a reason there was so much military activity in the area in this time period.
 

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Caribean islands base tax more or less shows how important was these lands to generating income from new world to europe. What i mean, is that one thing is inhabitants and other is passing trought/repairing/resting buying ration etc. merchant fleets moving from and to new world. That all gave huge income in these islands and only because of this in that time governors live like a little kings.
 

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The Caribbean islands are poor now. Then? Well France gave up Quebec to retain Martinique. The sugar islands were very valuable to whoever held them until about 1750-1800.

Put simply, arguing for a redistribution of values on the basis that the caribbean should be worthless is misreading history badly. There was a reason there was so much military activity in the area in this time period.

The argument doesn't seem to be that they should be worthless, just that their value is misrepresented. The Carribean should be valuable for the sugar it produces (for instance) rather than for the high Tax values.

That is, the Tax value should be lower, while the Trade value should be (much) higher.
 

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It would be great to represent the value of the Caribbean as trade rather than taxes, if the trade system wasn't totally skewed in favor of the guy with the biggest pirate (I mean trade) fleet. It should possible to make money off your sugar, coffee, tobacco even if you don't have a powerful trade presence there. The first sale would be to foriegn merchants, and you would get a handsome sum, and they would make additional money after that. But the way it works now, if your own income is purely trade value, you won't get any of it if you are, say Holland, and trying to move a few ducats of goods.

There are several ways to fix it, like making the use of pirates (I mean trade ships) a CB granting offense, or make trade more realistic (goods go downstream, money goes upstream).
 

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It would be great to represent the value of the Caribbean as trade rather than taxes, if the trade system wasn't totally skewed in favor of the guy with the biggest pirate (I mean trade) fleet. It should possible to make money off your sugar, coffee, tobacco even if you don't have a powerful trade presence there. The first sale would be to foriegn merchants, and you would get a handsome sum, and they would make additional money after that. But the way it works now, if your own income is purely trade value, you won't get any of it if you are, say Holland, and trying to move a few ducats of goods.

There are several ways to fix it, like making the use of pirates (I mean trade ships) a CB granting offense, or make trade more realistic (goods go downstream, money goes upstream).

You would still take in the full tariff value, regardless of trade control.

As others have pointed out, I believe that a reduction to 1-2 base tax throughout the Caribbean should be accompanied by a massive increase in the value of sugar and other colonial goods, such that 2-3 sugar provinces are more valuable than every fur province in Canada (though that might need to involve a tweak to fur values/production output in Canadian provinces).