Baptism or War! Force the Choice in Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury

[vukica]

I always thought cannonisation was when a bunch of cannons fire at something. Then that something is "cannonised".

 

[classicist]

Although, you might argue that it makes them more attractive, lol.

Incidentally, Medieval notions of holiness did come surprisingly close to this... I'm thinking, in particular, of the idea that the corpse of a saint was recognised as such - among other things such as incorruptibility - from the indescribably good odour of the remains. So not necessarily visual attractiveness (though one might argue for ideas related to 'glow of sainthood'), but olfactory attractiveness for sure.

 

[Rockphed]

I always thought cannonisation was when a bunch of cannons fire at something. Then that something is "cannonised".

A "cannon" in this case is a rod for measuring. So the "cannon of scripture" is those holy books that are considered to be correct, as opposed to Apocrypha, which were holy books generally considered to be of lesser value. Okay, so technically "Apocrypha" is the opposite of "Apocalypse" and means something like "hidden", but in reference to scripture, it generally is applied to less reliable works.

 

[Viridianus]

the Christian-Orthodox relation,

Heheheheh, I've finally seen it the other way! Orthodox are using distinction Christian vs. Catholic all over the place.

A lot of grammar rules in English are essentially somebody in the 1800s(?) deciding, "This is how Latin worked, so from now on we're doing it in English." Split infinitives, ending sentences in prepositions...

These are not even closely the core of grammar rules of English, merely some prescriptive modifying. Read "Sound Pattern of English" and "Syntactic structures", for the Force's sake.

A "cannon" in this case is a rod for measuring. So the "cannon of scripture" is those holy books that are considered to be correct, as opposed to Apocrypha, which were holy books generally considered to be of lesser value.

I suppose s/he means that the "rod for measuring" has a single n.
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[Rockphed]

I suppose s/he means that the "rod for measuring" has a single n.

Doo-pi-doo, I should have noticed that.

 

[XYN]

Heheheheh, I've finally seen it the other way! Orthodox are using distinction Christian vs. Catholic all over the place.​

I was sleepy, but meant to write Catholic-Orthodox.

 

[Prince Ire]

Will HF improve the behavior of the clergy? That they also acted political, had usually bastards etc?

I wouldn't say they "usually" had bastards, though it certainly happened.

Will historical figures be given "sainthood" in the history files for when they're dead, I guess? It would be nice to see "St." before all those ancient Popes.
Though if they're going to do that, would they bother to find out who was sainted when (ie, so-and-so died in 432 and sainted in 1204, so he doesn't get "St." before his name unless you start in 1204 or later) or just slap it onto people who were sainted up to yesterday? Retconning, I guess. The first method makes sense, but is probably CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY hard to do.

The church usually wasn’t that bad in documenting. So I’m wuite sure you can easily find a date for every saint.

The problem would be, are you going by when somebody was canonized by the Catholic Church or when somebody was recognized as a saint on the local level? Because those things can happen centuries apart. St. Joan of Arc and St. Jadwiga of Poland are two examples of saints being canonized by the church hundreds of years after they were considered saints in France and Poland respectively.

So, with coronation and sainthood, is that all of the cut features from CK1 implemented now? I can't think of anything else that's still missing.

The estates-esque mechanics wehre you balanced the power and loyalty of the clergy, nobles, burghers, and peasants in the various counties in your demense.

Please give Sainthood to other Christians.

For example, a Pagan ruler who successfully baptises his realm should become a saint.

It has happened IRL and would give other Christians some flavour without being hard to implement.

Eh, not always. Mieszkok I successfully Christianized Poland but not only never became a saint, I don't think there was ever any real effort by either the Polish clergy or the Piast dynasty to get him declared a saint. Admittedly, Poland is rather odd in that neither its first Christian rulers nor the missionaries who spread Christianity (who we know basicalthere were canonized. Typically at least one of those

 

[IntoTheMaelstrom]

Admittedly, Poland is rather odd in that neither its first Christian rulers nor the missionaries who spread Christianity (who we know basicalthere were canonized. Typically at least one of those

św wojciech/adalbert. maybe of prussia was saint afaik

 

[Thure]

The problem would be, are you going by when somebody was canonized by the Catholic Church or when somebody was recognized as a saint on the local level? Because those things can happen centuries apart. St. Joan of Arc and St. Jadwiga of Poland are two examples of saints being canonized by the church hundreds of years after they were considered saints in France and Poland respectively.

This. The pope only claimed to have absolute rule over canonization in the 12th century. And historically he didn't had this power until way later. There was still local canonization even if the pope wasn't happy about it.

 

[Åklagarn]

I pre ordered this game now from you guys! will i still be able to install it on my steam account ? never bought from your site before only bought it from Steam but this DLC looked so damn amazing i couldent wait to buy it.

 

[Serenity84]

I pre ordered this game now from you guys! will i still be able to install it on my steam account ? never bought from your site before only bought it from Steam but this DLC looked so damn amazing i couldent wait to buy it.

It's all Steam. What you buy from Paradox is a Steam key

 

[Åklagarn]

It's all Steam. What you buy from Paradox is a Steam key

Thank you man ☺

 

[frolix42]

I always thought cannonisation was when a bunch of cannons fire at something. Then that something is "cannonised".

@ 1:06

 

[Prince Ire]

św wojciech/adalbert. maybe of prussia was saint afaik

St. Adalbert of Prague was indeed a significant early saint in Polish history, with Poland and Bohemia literally fighting over control of his relics.

He also was bishop of Prague and later journeyed to Prussia where he was martyred, and his entire connection with Poland was saying high to the Polish king on his way to Prussia and after his martyrdom the Polish king bought his bones off the Prussians.

 

[Masternachos]

He. Canonization is now canon.

 

[forcefieldkid]

Release date still TBA?

Little surprising, I thought this might be out late summer.

 

[Slayen]

Release date still TBA?

Little surprising, I thought this might be out late summer.

Remember that Pdox sometimes likes to keep us in suspense right up until the last moment.

Just last weekend they announced the date for Distant Stars which ended up being the following Tuesday, just 3 days later.

 

[vukica]

Remember that Pdox sometimes likes to keep us in suspense right up until the last moment.

Just last weekend they announced the date for Distant Stars which ended up being the following Tuesday, just 3 days later.

I wouldn't expect the same thing to happen for HF.

Why?
It has new societies, which take really long time to implement and even more time to debug (see number of fixes for the hermetics in the last patch).
Midsummer is in less than a month. After that it's vacations and lack of focus in sweden.
DLCs tend to release after big holidays/vacations.

Based on that, expect a release in late August up to mid September. Earliest.

 

[Zangetsu1]

I wouldn't expect the same thing to happen for HF.

Why?
It has new societies, which take really long time to implement and even more time to debug (see number of fixes for the hermetics in the last patch).
Midsummer is in less than a month. After that it's vacations and lack of focus in sweden.
DLCs tend to release after big holidays/vacations.

Based on that, expect a release in late August up to mid September. Earliest.

Maybe they have been already working on it for some time since the Jade Dragon. Remember that the Jade Dragon didn't really add any significant features so maybe we can hope for Holy Fury to be out soon

 

[vukica]

Maybe they have been already working on it for some time since the Jade Dragon. Remember that the Jade Dragon didn't really add any significant features so maybe we can hope for Holy Fury to be out soon

That's not how software development works.

If they did that, they'd have more work resolving compatibility issues between DLCs than anything else.