Balkans DLC?

[DanubianCossak]

Yes.

Balkans is the most important place of them all places.

 

[aragonFTW]

Balkans has gotten so much attention since release, you have all forgotten the giant boring provinces of 1.x.x. Serbia and Romania runs have recently gotten much more interesting. Caucasus also has had a lot of attention. Caucasian games are a really fun place to start because you can expand in every direction.

Generally, more random religious/cultural events would be a good part of a flavour expansion that would help the Balkans show the birth of Bosnianism and Bosniak [Muslims], but they wouldn't need to be specific to Bosnia but nearly any conquered converted area.

 

[StefanFan]

@RodDel If you think there are too little suggestions for a Balkan DLC, well, the solution is simple. Rework the policies into the same DLC, and based on the Balkan suggestions and the new policy system you'd have more than enough. For 3 DLCs. Some Balkans specific items locked in a DLC and free policies for everybody, in an overhauled system with MEANINGFUL policies for different play styles. I so hate the actual policy system which is supposed to encourage the usage of (useless) policies.

Free update: map + balkan events and missions + policy revamp.

DLC: Balkan specific governments, sending princes to the Ottoman hell knows how you say it in English, the Tall Door? , asking for help, if diplomacy rating allows you, from Christian princes from Europe when you fight the Otts, some special policies available only for the DLC, etc.
More than enough for a Balkan super DLC and patch.

PS: Make a policy be the pinnacle of 2 group ideas, meaning that a policy should be VERY STRONG, with capitals , because it encompasses a lot of monarch points since you need to complete 2 idea groups. Less is more. Instead of 120 policies, start with 30 free ones, 15 paid DLC ones. And build on them each new patch and DLC.

PS2: Hell yes, why not make policies give 3 possible bonus choices each, so people say OMG, I can't wait to unlock my next policy. Religious + Offensive - Reloff policy. The first policy would give more religious bonuses and less Offensive ones, the second would give balanced bonuses, and the third will give more Offensive bonuses and less Religious bonuses.

PS18, because it is 12 am and somebody spiced my tea with alcohol ( or my alcohol with tea? ), since the game also needs mechanical overhauls, a Balkan DLC would be the perfect excuse to either touch the policies, which it would be GODLIKE, as in Dota, or play with trade, religions, etc. An Italy DLC for example would leave less space for general mechanics like policies, since you'd have a lot to deal with the actual region, which was pretty important ( people say that at least ) in the game period. But a Balkan DLC? God sent...

I rest my case, may the force be with you all!

 

[vaan24]

For the future Immersion Packs after Iberia, I think there will be Italy in the pack on France because of its important role in Italian affairs (Italian Wars, Napoleon ...), the HRE in an Austrian Pack and maybe the Balkans in an Ottoman Pack. And in free patches, I see a Sweden patch with rework of Baltic Coast and maybe Bohemian and Burgundian patches too.

 

[Mister X]

Problem is, by then, the time of the Balkans has long passed...

Now, if game started from 1300s now that would be a completely different deal

 

[Roxas15]

the balkan is in the same situation as caucasus. i can not imagine anything interesting for them. they were basically the palyground for some major powers. but even for the major powers it was not an interesting place. in 1444 most of the balkan nations were already either paying tribute to the ottomans or trying to defend against them. the causasus area was in a similar situation.

 

[StefanFan]

the balkan is in the same situation as caucasus. i can not imagine anything interesting for them. they were basically the palyground for some major powers. but even for the major powers it was not an interesting place. in 1444 most of the balkan nations were already either paying tribute to the ottomans or trying to defend against them. the causasus area was in a similar situation.

If you follow this approach there are a quite a few tags in the game that should not have had anything interesting happening since they were extinct pretty soon after the start date. In Western Europe or Asia too.

 

[klingonadmiral]

Indonesia has to take precedent over everything else.

 

[Treybor]

In every game I end up in the Balkans and find it an interesting region but in game there really needs to be more provinces, I don’t even care if it buffs the ottomans

The provinces are too huge and bulky and most can be split off into different ones, Greece also should be stronger

 

[BuchiTaton]

Actually the scheme of Iberian ImmPack > HRE + Italy Expansion > Balkans Patch make alot of sense from balance perspective, since Spain and Venice are relevant early mediterranean rivals of Ottomans, also Austria is the european frontier for Ottomans, so there is not problem if devs add more provinces for Ottomans if by that time 3 of their bigger rivals are already buffed (Not to forget that we just got Poland Patch that also help that area againts Ottomans).

 

[Husein]

Out of curiosity, what sort of content are you looking for in your ideal Balkan Expansion / Immersion Pack / Update? Not that we have anything planned in this region, but I'd like to gather some feedback to give to the dev team! I might not answer to all of you, but rest assured, everything will be read and inked down

Bit more provinces

More cultures including Bosniak/Bosnian.

A few more religions including potential to revive bogomilists as early form of protestantism or convert to a religion more freely compared to others. Some like rulers of Montenegro often switched between Islam and Christianity as suited them politically in the moment.

Unique unit models for Balkan states

Mission trees.

Ability to swear fealthy rather than just offer vasalization. States in the balkans often served as vassals for various powers often switching between one power and another.

 

[EquilinT]

Balkans patch sounds nice. Missions for Greece, Ragusa, Serbia&Bosnia, maybe Hungary. More provinces. Serbia Strong BGM.

 

[dayalu]

Out of curiosity, what sort of content are you looking for in your ideal Balkan Expansion / Immersion Pack / Update? Not that we have anything planned in this region, but I'd like to gather some feedback to give to the dev team! I might not answer to all of you, but rest assured, everything will be read and inked down

For The Ottomans,
I'd like if the Balkan's DLC gave access too the great powers mechanic. Then I would propose A tributary system where great powers could take money, trade power or manpower from a smaller country in direct contact with them for protection. Much like The Ottomans maintained tributaries such as Ragusa.
I would also like something with the Armatoloi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armatoloi possibly a estate?

For the Byzantines,
I was thinking Despotates could be an estate. You could get a heir from it that would be your younger brother but if you got a heir the normal way, Despotate provinces would revolt against you upon succession of that heir. (Well at least something to that effect.) It would also be a immersive nerff in a way.

For Bosnia,
I'd like the Bosnian church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Church

For Serbia,
I don't know enough about Serbia too speak with authority, but I think this thread did a god job: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/serbia-friends-1-23.1058407/

On Ragusa,
No one could top this thread: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...tia-flavour-for-the-eastern-adriatic.1111096/

For The Knights,
I'm not sure but something to do with the tongues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langue_(Knights_Hospitaller)

Lot's of great Ideas here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...e-balkan-suggestion-thread-directory.1119163/

And of course the most Important Thread on the Balkans: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...r-of-silistra-is-ahistorical-and-ugly.989534/

 

[HelloEveryone]

Indonesia has to take precedent over everything else.

hmmm I agree about this, especially the unit models. It really ruins the immersion when their soldiers are chinese looking. At least they should get their own unit skins.

 

[gougluinn]

For The Ottomans,
I'd like if the Balkan's DLC gave access too the great powers mechanic. Then I would propose A tributary system where great powers could take money, trade power or manpower from a smaller country in direct contact with them for protection. Much like The Ottomans maintained tributaries such as Ragusa.

ottoman empire was a huge empire, a superpower, not just ragusa or small balkan kingdoms even the archduchy of austria was a tributary state of turkish empire between 1533-1606.

Spoiler: full list

• Lordship of Prilep (1371-1395)
• Dejanović noble family (1371-1395)
• Principality of Wallachia (Eflâk Prensliği), 1396–1397, 1417–1861 with some interruptions; briefly annexed as an eyalet from 1595–96[2]
• Byzantine Empire c.1370-1402, c.1421-1453
  • Despot of Morea
  • Trebizond Empire 1456-1461
• Principality of Moldavia (Boğdan Prensliği), 1456–1457, 1503–1861 with some interruptions; briefly annexed as an eyalet from 1595–96[2]
• Sharifate of Mecca, 1517-1803
• Archduchy of Austria, 1533-1606
• Crimean Khanate (Kırım Hanlığı), 1478–1774
  • Budzhak Horde (? -1807)
  • Edisanskaya Horde (? -1770)
  • Edichkulskaya Horde (? -1770)
  • Dzhambuylutskaya Horde (? -1770)
  • Circassian principalities and tribes
  • Kabarda (? -1739)
  • Yedisan (1684-1760s)
• Kazan Khanate (Kazan Hanlığı), 1523: Kazan briefly conquered by Crimean Khanate, Sahib I Giray enthroned as Khan[3]
• Eastern Hungarian Kingdom
• Hilaalee dynasty of The Maldives, 1565?-1597?[4]
• Principality of Transylvania (Erdel), 1570–1692 with some interruptions
• Sultanate of Aceh, 1569-late 18th century[5][6]
• Sultanate of Malacca, (1459-1477) during the reign of Sultan Mansur Shah.
• Kingdom of Bohemia, briefly in 1620 under Frederick I of Bohemia[7]
• Principality of Upper Hungary (modern-day Slovakia), 1682–1685 under Imre Thököly[8]
• Principality of Serbia (Sırbistan Prensliği), 1815–1867; de facto independence 1867; de jure independence 1878
• United Principalities of Romania (Romanya Prensliği), 1862–1877
• Khedivate of Egypt (Mısır), 1867–1914: de jure under Ottoman suzerainty, in effect fully autonomous, and from 1882 under British occupation; broke away from Ottoman suzerainty upon Ottoman entry into World War I on the side of the Central Powers and reformed as the "Sultanate of Egypt" which was declared a British protectorate on 5 November 1914, the day when Britain and France declared war against the Ottoman Empire. Britain also formally annexed Cyprus (under British administration since the Cyprus Convention in 1878, but nominally still an Ottoman territory) until 5 November 1914.
• Principality of Bulgaria (Bulgaristan Prensliği), 1878–1908: de facto independent.
• Republic of Ragusa
• Duchy of Naxos, 1566-1579
• Principality of Samos (Sisam), 1835–1912: established as an autonomous tributary principality under a Christian Prince; annexed to Greece during the First Balkan War
• Eastern Rumelia (Doğu Rumeli), 1878–1885: established by the Treaty of Berlin on 13 July 1878 as an autonomous province; in a personal union with the tributary Principality of Bulgaria on 6 September 1885 but remained de jure under Ottoman suzerainty; annexed by Bulgaria on 5 October 1908.
• Cyprus (Kıbrıs), 1878–1914: established as a British protectorate under Ottoman suzerainty with the Cyprus Convention of 4 June 1878; annexed by Britain on 5 November 1914, upon Ottoman entry into World War I.
• Qatar (Katar), 1872–1913
• Cretan State (Girit), 1898–1912/13: established as an internationally supervised tributary state headed by a Christian governor; in 1908 the Cretan parliament unilaterally declared union with Greece; the island was occupied by Greece in 1912, and de jure annexed in 1913
• Cossack Hetmanate: Protectorate and Sanjak of the Ottoman Empire (1655 - 1663)[9][10] and (June 1669 - 1685)[11][12]
• Septinsular Republic
• Lebanon running dynasties Ma'an (1516-1697) and Chehab (1697-1840)
• The Principality of Transylvania (1543-1692 with breaks)
• Abdalvadidov Kingdom (1554-1556)
• Kingdom of Imereti (1555–1804)
  • Principality of Abkhazia (1555–1810)
  • Principality of Mingrelia (1557–1803)
  • Principality of Guria (1614–1810)
• United States (1786-1794)[13]

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal_and_tributary_states_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

 

[DassiD]

Regarding fears that Ottomans gets buffed by extra provinces: There has to be a revamp of balkan and anatolian cultures following a boost in provinces. The Ottomans are having a way too easy time with almost all of Anatolia turkish at the start of the game. This is both a (covert?) buff and historically wrong, seeing that the official censuses in the early modern period almost has more greeks and armenians represented than the game 400 years earlier. Most of the balkans are divided into 4 big cultures, which is a oversimplification and makes it too easy to govern. The Ottomans should have trouble adding every culture under them as accepted.

Here's my "essentials" list of changes:

1. More pontic greeks along the Black sea (Sinope, I'm looking at you).

2. Greek culture on the anatolian west coast.

3. Vlach culture added with spread presence all the way down to Greece.

4. Slovenian and bosnian culture.

There's also the italian enclaves along the adriatic coast that might need to be on the map depending on how small the provinces end up.

 

[dayalu]

Regarding fears that Ottomans gets buffed by extra provinces: There has to be a revamp of balkan and anatolian cultures following a boost in provinces. The Ottomans are having a way too easy time with almost all of Anatolia turkish at the start of the game. This is both a (covert?) buff and historically wrong, seeing that the official censuses in the early modern period almost has more greeks and armenians represented than the game 400 years earlier. Most of the balkans are divided into 4 big cultures, which is a oversimplification and makes it too easy to govern. The Ottomans should have trouble adding every culture under them as accepted.

Here's my "essentials" list of changes:

1. More pontic greeks along the Black sea (Sinope, I'm looking at you).

2. Greek culture on the anatolian west coast.

3. Vlach culture added with spread presence all the way down to Greece.

4. Slovenian and bosnian culture.

There's also the italian enclaves along the adriatic coast that might need to be on the map depending on how small the provinces end up.

There were quite a few Armenians, however the Greeks in western Anatolia did not fair so well when Tamerlane stormed through. An argument for Cappadocians could be made. I think things could be balanced out with Armatoloi mechanics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armatoloi

 

[DassiD]

There were quite a few Armenians, however the Greeks in western Anatolia did not fair so well when Tamerlane stormed through. An argument for Cappadocians could be made. I think things could be balanced out with Armatoloi mechanics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armatoloi

Indeed, a densely populated area was decimated, but the greek presence stayed until the population transfers. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/3mwq77/1268x_1024_1861_ethnic_map_of_the_ottoman_balkans/
I agree that the Armatoloi would be really interesting. There's also the millet system that could be represented by raising non-muslim provinces' autonomy floor.

 

[Mingmung]

Out of curiosity, what sort of content are you looking for in your ideal Balkan Expansion / Immersion Pack / Update? Not that we have anything planned in this region, but I'd like to gather some feedback to give to the dev team! I might not answer to all of you, but rest assured, everything will be read and inked down

Provinces! XD

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ideas-for-a-greece-bulgaria-update.1103021/

For non-free stuff; well, it was a dynamic place. So, events, mission-trees, unit-models... Maybe some mechanics for the smaller principalities.

Hungary, Venice, Austria and the Ottomans all had stakes in the Balkans, maybe something about them?

Anyway, its provinces do need a rework. A big and accurate one.

 

[_Perun_]

Out of curiosity, what sort of content are you looking for in your ideal Balkan Expansion / Immersion Pack / Update? Not that we have anything planned in this region, but I'd like to gather some feedback to give to the dev team! I might not answer to all of you, but rest assured, everything will be read and inked down

This new system for accepted cultures in the Mughal empire is kind of gamechanging. I would like to see other countries being abl to use a system based on that. Changing the mechanics for accepted cultures would fit pretty well to a Balkan themed dlc, if you are looking for ideas.