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Disclaimer: I haven't played any previous HOI games so this is more like a thread asking for advise ,eventhough the game is not out yet, I would like to explore the possibilities of making the Balkans an armed fortress against Germany and USSR. Basically I want to play as Greece/Yugoslavia/Romania create a faction fortify it and then expand against Bulgaria/Albania/Turkey. Does that sound like something that can be achieved?
 
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I think that sounds like an interesting game to play. If it were me I’d forget all about the ‘armed fortress’ bit, as either Ger or SU could swat you like a fly, forts or no forts. Trade and politics are the only way to make both powers like you enough to leave you aIone. I’d play as Romania and build my faction from there; that’s because Germany needs Romanian oil, and you can profit greatly from the build-up of their war machine. Any resources I needed I’d buy from the SU, and maybe also lean a little to the left to help keep out of trouble with them. You could then go into Asia Minor if you felt inclined, as everybody would be too busy elsewhere to care or intervene.
 
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The combined Yugoslavia-Romania-Greece +conqured Albania-Bulgaria could handle holding defensive lines along the Danube perhaps? don't know but if USSR and Germany don't attack at the same exact time I say its probably durable. The lack of airforce would be a problem but besides that I think if there is a good organization and plan it is possible.
 
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That actually is possible. The youtubers from the press event back in march mentioned that sweden, finland and norway created the "northern lights" faction, you can name them yourself afaik.

I am pretty sure the balkans did something similar in one of their sessions aswell, but i cant remember right now.

France for example could say no to the allies and create its own faction with the balkans, called Little Entente aswell.

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Yugoslavia or Romania as "head" of a faction would be good. But would like to see Turkey being involved (securing the south flank), though the history between the countries in the Balkans and Turkey isn't great.
With Romania, Yugoslavia and Turkey (maybe Greece) it would be a powerful alliance, with a lot of manpower. Some potential to expand.
 
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Yugoslavia or Romania as "head" of a faction would be good. But would like to see Turkey being involved (securing the south flank), though the history between the countries in the Balkans and Turkey isn't great.
With Romania, Yugoslavia and Turkey (maybe Greece) it would be a powerful alliance, with a lot of manpower. Some potential to expand.

My ''Balkan dream'' doesn't involve Turkey.
Yugoslavia: Albania/west Bulgaria and Dalmatian coast
Romania: North/East Bulgaria near Constantinople
Greece: That small province touching the Aegean sea from Bulgaria +Constantinople

And after that race to the middle east! XD

No but seriously now how durable is my ''plan''? holding the USSR with the help of the Carpathian mountains and many small rivers and holding Germany with just a huge amount of troops and defenses?
I mean no offensive action from me just defense, without any troop attacking just mainting a steady front?
Is that durable in theory?
 
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Probably not. To wide front, to numerous enemy and to strong enemy.
Hungary will join the fight (and Italy), thus a wider front. You won't have enough troops to cover the entire front in force and they will brake through.
You could manage Russia alone, I would think, but German (and its allies) alone would be to much.
That's why I suggested Turkey (more manpower, and their border to Russia, Greece could be divided among the alliance).
 

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You would probably have to act like the other minors at the time and join with one side and hope to tip the war. Unless you can expand enough through the first 3 years to make the big guys feel you are too much trouble to take down.

We have not seen how the world will react to a 4th faction as yet, how will world tension go up with this restructuring of the Balkans you seek to do, also I assume you can ally with either the Germans or Russians outside of the faction and this maybe something you need to make a choice on which side you will help as they probably won't leave you in peace.
 

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I think if everything breaks your way, you could, in theory, defend against a superior force using the mountainous terrain in the balkans. That being said, if your goals are to 1) defend against Germany and/or USSR and 2) remove kebab, you're probably going to fail. I find it highly unlikely that you would be able to get enough tech to defend your northwestern border using mountains, then also push eastward through largely mountainous terrain. Could you conquer the Bosphorus? I don't see why not. I think you would end up expending too much effort to push further east though, and causing your western flank to crumble as you push resources to rearm and replace divisions even with a relatively weakened Turkish army. If you completely shatter the Turkish army at the Bosphorus, you may be able to expand to the Caucasus, but I still don't think you have enough manpower, production, or resources to commit to defending 2 fronts en masse, which would be necessary. I would also guess that you would have to fully embrace Facism to be able to conquer Turkey early enough for it to be of any use, which leads me to believe you'd be facing Turkish revolts after even minor setbacks, as you're already going to have to give up some land + national unity to retreat into your defensive line, which would be detrimental. You're also working with the southeastern Balkans and Asia Minor, which are not nearly developed as most of western Europe. You also don't have the bonus of someone like India of having a massive population.

Tldr You could defend against Germany/USSR (difficult) or conquer Turkey (fairly easy), but conquering Turkey to then defend against USSR and Germany on 2 fronts? Doubtful.
 

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You would probably have to act like the other minors at the time and join with one side and hope to tip the war. Unless you can expand enough through the first 3 years to make the big guys feel you are too much trouble to take down.

There is an interesting question here in terms of how the AI will respond to this kind of aggression (now that it actually will respond unlike in 3). Given the nature of world tension I think it is more likely to make large powers attack you than scare them off. This might vary faction to faction though. Allies almost certainly will become hostile because they seem to be designed to always work against sources of world tension. Others are uncertain though.
 

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Basically Balkan faction:
''Kills and splits'':
Albania/Bulgaria/European part of turkey then dug in and just hold off, and wait to seize an opportunity once USSR fights Germany and Germany fights allies, or whenever their collapse due to multiple fronts, I plan on using the mountains in carpathians and the mountainous regions + Danube to hold off.
 

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Basically Balkan faction:
''Kills and splits'':
Albania/Bulgaria/European part of turkey then dug in and just hold off, and wait to seize an opportunity once USSR fights Germany and Germany fights allies, or whenever their collapse due to multiple fronts, I plan on using the mountains in carpathians and the mountainous regions + Danube to hold off.

This seems good. If the USSR doesn't attack you and Germany proceeds with Barborassa, then you should be able to take advantage when Germany eventually falls back and starts losing (which they they will since they lack Romania).
 

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Actually The Balkan Pact was formed by Turkey, Greece, Romania and Yugoslavia, so why don't you add some events about that.

That was only concerned maintaining peace between them, not military alliance/protection. It was just made so Serbians/Greeks wouldn't treat muslim/Turkish minorities in a bad way and Turkey treating Greek-Orthodox minorities in a bad way (those that were still there... at least). But you are right it is important and should have events regarding it.
 

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Well though that was the actual Pact I will be able to call it whatever I want.

I think Turkey would be better off joining the Allies and taking back Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and Romania.
 

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That was only concerned maintaining peace between them, not military alliance/protection. It was just made so Serbians/Greeks wouldn't treat muslim/Turkish minorities in a bad way and Turkey treating Greek-Orthodox minorities in a bad way (those that were still there... at least). But you are right it is important and should have events regarding it.
Yes unfortunately it is true, but my main idea is not about today, In reality avoiding the war was really hard for Turkey, because on the east there was SSBC and on the west the German armies were coming, so to avoid the war Turkey need a buffer zone.( By the way Turkey doesn't care about who you are to treat in a bad way.)
 

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Keep in mind that custom factions are possible. I see no reason the Balkan states can't try it out.

I don't think they can beat the Soviets by themselves, but there's no harm in playing it as a "attacking us would cost you too much and leave you vulnerable, so leave us alone."
 

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I am putting too much faith on the Carpathians+rivers don't I ? XD

Yes, you are. ;)

Of course, it might depend on who is in the alliance. If Poland joins for some weird reason, it might dilute Soviet forces a tad.