I think with the number of contents pack, the only place left is the balkans and west slavs. What face pack do you want?
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Balkan and west slavic face pack?
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I honestly don't know why they don't already use the Russian face pack and make it a general slavic pack. But aside from those, I'd like to see the base ones redone - they look so limited and old compared to anything from the norse on wards. Beyond that, we're pretty much done?
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Faces of Glitterhoof.
Because Glitterhoof being a generic brown-haired "standard" horse makes me sad.
Arabians should have. Well. Arabians. Preferably black.
Italians should have white stallions.
And Indians deserve glitterhoof as an elefant.
Because Glitterhoof being a generic brown-haired "standard" horse makes me sad.
Arabians should have. Well. Arabians. Preferably black.
Italians should have white stallions.
And Indians deserve glitterhoof as an elefant.
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Packs that could be made:
Slavic Pack: The Wends and Balkan Slavs are completely lacking a pack, and use generic faces. Albanians aren't in the game, so they're not included here.
Frankish Pack: There is no pack for Central Europe, probably because the base faces are specifically designed for them.
African Pack 2: the Berbers and Egyptians of North Africa look quite different from the Bedouin, to be honest. The only thing that might carry over is the pharaoh beard.
Fertile Crescent Pack: At the moment, Jews get the Greek faces. If no new pack is to be had, then Jews and Levantines should use Greek faces with Persian clothing.
Chinese Pack: Just for Anxi/Dunhuang in the 769 start.
Tocharian Pack: The Tocharians were one of the oldest Indo-European cultures, and were entirely distinct from the Indo-Aryans. Don't they deserve some love?
African Pack 3: Rework East Africans. Even if you just give them Byzantine or Muslim clothing (Nubian & Ethiopian vs. Somali)
Arabic Pack: Rework the base Bedouin portraits. Enough said. Sorta like the Frankish Pack, but for Arabia.
Vlach Pack: Gives the Balkan Latins their own pack. The Dacians, alongside the Albanians and the Croats of Ragusa, represent the last non-Slavicized populations of the non-Hellenic Balkans.
Saxon Pack: Give Norse-esque portraits to the Saxons and Frisians. To represent their Celtic stock population, the Anglo-Saxons will be given Celtic portraits with Saxon clothing. This is an exception when dealing with certain dynasties, who will have regular Saxon portraits, and their founders switched to be Frisians (as the Angles were a Frisian tribe, by all means of ethnicity)
Facial fixes:
Replace the Alan graphics with Iranian instead of Russian, for units and portraits alike. Music and culture group can remain sensibly. As the last of the Scythians, they are Iranian nomads.
See Fertile Crescent Pack.
Some suggest giving the Western Aryans: The Rajput, Gujarati, Sindhi, and Panjabi, should be given the Iranian portraits as well. This is up for debate.
Give Magyars the Finno-Ugric portraits.
Slavic Pack: The Wends and Balkan Slavs are completely lacking a pack, and use generic faces. Albanians aren't in the game, so they're not included here.
Frankish Pack: There is no pack for Central Europe, probably because the base faces are specifically designed for them.
African Pack 2: the Berbers and Egyptians of North Africa look quite different from the Bedouin, to be honest. The only thing that might carry over is the pharaoh beard.
Fertile Crescent Pack: At the moment, Jews get the Greek faces. If no new pack is to be had, then Jews and Levantines should use Greek faces with Persian clothing.
Chinese Pack: Just for Anxi/Dunhuang in the 769 start.
Tocharian Pack: The Tocharians were one of the oldest Indo-European cultures, and were entirely distinct from the Indo-Aryans. Don't they deserve some love?
African Pack 3: Rework East Africans. Even if you just give them Byzantine or Muslim clothing (Nubian & Ethiopian vs. Somali)
Arabic Pack: Rework the base Bedouin portraits. Enough said. Sorta like the Frankish Pack, but for Arabia.
Vlach Pack: Gives the Balkan Latins their own pack. The Dacians, alongside the Albanians and the Croats of Ragusa, represent the last non-Slavicized populations of the non-Hellenic Balkans.
Saxon Pack: Give Norse-esque portraits to the Saxons and Frisians. To represent their Celtic stock population, the Anglo-Saxons will be given Celtic portraits with Saxon clothing. This is an exception when dealing with certain dynasties, who will have regular Saxon portraits, and their founders switched to be Frisians (as the Angles were a Frisian tribe, by all means of ethnicity)
Facial fixes:
Replace the Alan graphics with Iranian instead of Russian, for units and portraits alike. Music and culture group can remain sensibly. As the last of the Scythians, they are Iranian nomads.
See Fertile Crescent Pack.
Some suggest giving the Western Aryans: The Rajput, Gujarati, Sindhi, and Panjabi, should be given the Iranian portraits as well. This is up for debate.
Give Magyars the Finno-Ugric portraits.
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Check this for a better view of the current portrait map:
I think it's a useful map, where we can clearly see what areas deserve more love.View attachment 156981 Note:
- Arabic and Western European portraits are not DLC content, and are default portraits for the game.
- Colors represent culture group(s) that use their dedicated portraits, and names represent DLC that covers these groups.
- Map doesn't show characters, but culture groups (like I said). You can see yellow color in Egypt, but the owner of that province uses Arabic portraits. However, culture in those provinces is Nubian, which uses African portraits, so I painted them yellow.
- I used 1066 start date for the culture map
- There are probably quirks with my mapping (maybe with Turkish and Cuman groups?), but the intention is to give general idea about where you can find certain portraits. EDIT: Hopefully I fixed Bolghars...
- Aztec portraits point out outside the map, for ( I believe) obvious reason.
- Devon is not Celtic.
Like I said, this map is probably not perfect. Tell me what I did wrong!
There are maps on the CK2 Wiki that show culture groups, and description what groups use what graphical content.
I simply made this map for easier display.
That all of that is just two kinds of portraits if you don't have any DLC is horrifying. Arabic Mongols, ew.
Yeah, give them Slavs some face!
Or just use Russian faces, they are great.
While we are at it. I would rework clothing things. Cloth should be tied to accrued ethnicity (culture, maybe also religion) not inherited one (looks).
Or just use Russian faces, they are great.
While we are at it. I would rework clothing things. Cloth should be tied to accrued ethnicity (culture, maybe also religion) not inherited one (looks).
Thanks to CK I could take a room of Europeans and sort them into races. Thanks paradox!
Well the balkan slavs don't really look like Russians. Probably due to mixing with the local medditeranian population.
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Real life Russians look like mix of Russian (more so in South or Ukraine) and Finno-Ugric (more so in North or Belarus) portrait packs.
Real life Slavs in general look more like Russian portrait pack.
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Maybe today, but what about 1000 years ago?
Well, looking at the paintings of serbian, bulgarian, vlach etc. rulers in this timeframe, i see practically no difference to the byzantine greeks. Whether this is a politically motivated move to express their association with the byzantine political elite (intermarriage was of course very common) is an open question.
The truth is, we have no idea how these people looked like a 1000 years ago, and have no real method to find it out. One can as plausibly argue that the default vanilla faces fit as well, since serbs and croats originate from what is today eastern germany and western poland before the migration period. Likewise the relation between bulgarians and khazars are evident too, nowadays you will find barely similarities between the peoples living in these respective regions, but 1000 years ago - who knows?
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I agree strongly, in the end it is all speculation on our part, which leads to very unproductive discussion on the forum.
I really crave for more music content. Current one is almost perfect yet amount of tracks is not very numerous and cultural restrictions for some of them do not make it any better. West Slavic music and potrait pack would make me very happy.
Great ideas, but the mod Better Looking Garbs takes care of everything you just mentioned. Literally.
As for future packs, I would like to see Western Europe and the Middle East get some love.
Giving Angles the Celtic portraits with Saxon clothing? Alans have Iranian portraits and sprites? Pharaoh beard?
Okay my bad, not 100%, but I'd say 90%
Well, sounds like a wonderful mod.