Building on these discussions on this thread: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/balancing-flying-and-floating-units.1122078/
Flying, Floating and Swimming units have a big mobility and versatility advantage on Water, on Continent and even more on Island maps.
Some of the proposals:
Also proposals included in the list considered for the balance mod:
GC61a
Swimming now uses 4 MP/hex on the strategic map. Sea Creatures get Natural Swimming and still uses 3 MP/hex.
Sea Creatures do not take attack of opportunity when moving near other units (like Flyers near walking units).
GC61b
Flying and Floating units get a "Flying over water" penalty of -1 defense, -1 resistance when flying over water. Mariner cancels that malus.
Personally, I think it makes sense that Embarked units are the weaker on Water. And I think the strongest units on Water should be Sea Creature, then Swimming units, then Flying/Floating, then Embarked. So I am unconvinced by proposals that seek to change this pick order.
Maybe Embarking/Disembarking could be made slightly easier (e.g. 10 MP for Embarking, and 4 MP for Disembarking instead of 12 and 6 MP respectively). And I also agree with making Flying/Floating units more difficult to get or maintain, and increasing counters to them. I also agree to boost Sea Creatures because the fact they can't go on land makes them useless in most situations.
Flying, Floating and Swimming units have a big mobility and versatility advantage on Water, on Continent and even more on Island maps.
Some of the proposals:
make the ships cheaper and easier to get so embarked units are able to stop flying stacks, maybe add a spell that gives MP to embarked units
phirpo said:Advanced seafaring gives addional +3mp to embarked units
With then 30mp they can move 5hex during combat and are not that handicapped anymore. Whats more, with 30mp on water they are not that easily to catch by flying/floating units with only 30mp(dragons and gryphon riders) and others. The very fact that embarking consumes all mp and disembarking requires a lot of mp, is such an immense drawback (next to the „embarked“ trait), that you normally have to exclude them from your flying/floating/swimming stack, because they cannot keep up. This will still be the case with 30mp. But at least they tiny bit less terrible.
Also proposals included in the list considered for the balance mod:
GC61a
Swimming now uses 4 MP/hex on the strategic map. Sea Creatures get Natural Swimming and still uses 3 MP/hex.
Sea Creatures do not take attack of opportunity when moving near other units (like Flyers near walking units).
GC61b
Flying and Floating units get a "Flying over water" penalty of -1 defense, -1 resistance when flying over water. Mariner cancels that malus.
Personally, I think it makes sense that Embarked units are the weaker on Water. And I think the strongest units on Water should be Sea Creature, then Swimming units, then Flying/Floating, then Embarked. So I am unconvinced by proposals that seek to change this pick order.
Maybe Embarking/Disembarking could be made slightly easier (e.g. 10 MP for Embarking, and 4 MP for Disembarking instead of 12 and 6 MP respectively). And I also agree with making Flying/Floating units more difficult to get or maintain, and increasing counters to them. I also agree to boost Sea Creatures because the fact they can't go on land makes them useless in most situations.