Balancing the sherman 76

[Boxman]

only 2 decks use the 76 sherman.... thats the french and 3rd armored.... the french are anything but underpowered and 3rd armored is one of the most powerful allied deck if u see past its income problem.... and remains my favorite allied deck.... the rest would be unaffected by said nerf... and would moreso benefit from the sherman 75 buff.. that includes both the french and 3rd arm

What? Are you high? The 12th SS gets all the Bef. Panthers and Panther G's which can one tap the 76 while the 76 literally has a 0% chance to pen, 2 decks have KTs which mean that since the highest AP those decks have is 13 the KTs are undeadable unless the German player is literally a child or retarded, and the rest of the decks get more Panthers, Panthers, Panthers, and more Panthers. Can the 76 kill Panthers if properly microd? Yeah. Can Panthers knock out every single allied armored unit by the sheer fact of existing? Also yes.

 

[Boxman]

sniping isnt a problem if one learns to smoke... and in fact forces 2 choices to the axis player.... either to give more land that was lost during A..... or stay and get killed.... see the thing is... the sherman 76 in the wrong hands is just as useless as a stuart at phase C... but in the right hands it outperforms every tank ingame thanks to its aimtime... does your range and firepower really matter if i can simply smoke close in and kill you before u get to shoot?

So again, the counter to German tanks merely existing in the field is a well developed armor push backed by infantry and artillery, and if even one unit is out of place or one smoke round misses or one unit moves to counter, that push is dead. Maybe you should just not let Sherman tanks drive up half a kilometer on your Panthers. In no way would I ever take a 76 over a Panther, which apparently made up 80% of German armor at Normandy.

 

[gbem]

What? Are you high? The 12th SS gets all the Bef. Panthers and Panther G's which can one tap the 76 while the 76 literally has a 0% chance to pen, 2 decks have KTs which mean that since the highest AP those decks have is 13 the KTs are undeadable unless the German player is literally a child or retarded, and the rest of the decks get more Panthers. Panthers, Panthers, and more Panthers. Can the 76 kill Panthers if properly microd? Yeah. Can Panthers knock out every single allied army unit by the sheer fact of existing? Also yes.

0 chance to pen at max range against panthers.... but that isnt the point.... the point is to close in to where u have some 72-53% chance to pen.... 600-800m is good enough for that.... at which point those "big scary panthers" simply become expensive wastes of points....

KTs are my favorite target as 3rd armored... players get cocky and advance them blindly..... perfect targets for the 76 after a couple of 220 pt P-38s...

proper panther micro against a well managed 76 means giving up ground... rocket artying whatevers in the smoke and charging a wave of infantry and autocannons at it... its highly effective but the panther is not involved in it....

 

[gbem]

So again, the counter to German tanks merely existing in the field is a well developed armor push backed by infantry and artillery, and if even one unit is out of place or one smoke round misses or one unit moves to counter, that push is dead. Maybe you should just not let Sherman tanks drive up half a kilometer on your Panthers. In no way would I ever take a 76 over a Panther, which apparently made up 80% of German armor at Normandy.

you would at 600-800m.... taking panthers at that distance against a 76 is suicide

 

[Boxman]

0 chance to pen at max range against panthers.... but that isnt the point.... the point is to close in to where u have some 72-53% chance to pen.... 600-800m is good enough for that.... at which point those "big scary panthers" simply become expensive wastes of points....

KTs are my favorite target as 3rd armored... players get cocky and advance them blindly..... perfect targets for the 76 after a couple of 220 pt P-38s...

proper panther micro against a well managed 76 means giving up ground... rocket artying whatevers in the smoke and charging a wave of infantry and autocannons at it... its highly effective but the panther is not involved in it....

Have you thought about not having literally zero other units between your panther and a Sherman? That way they can't drive up over half a klik on you? See, you are under the impression, it seems, that the Allies are somehow stomping the axis in games, which makes no sense considering that there is no real allied playerbase to speak of. If you do this EVEN LESS people will play Allies, which means the game will be EVEN MORE dead.

 

[Boxman]

you would at 600-800m.... taking panthers at that distance against a 76 is suicide

Not hardly. What is the accuracy and the chance to pen for the 76 compared to the accuracy and chance to pen for a Panther vs a 76? Guarantee you that if the 76 misses the first shot (~50% chance of that) it's dead. I have literally never had the problem you are describing and apparently nobody else has either because nobody plays allies and even the ones who do play decks that have real AP tanks that can actually maybe just possibly damage a Panther or KT every once in a while.

 

[Boxman]

0 chance to pen at max range against panthers.... but that isnt the point.... the point is to close in to where u have some 72-53% chance to pen.... 600-800m is good enough for that.... at which point those "big scary panthers" simply become expensive wastes of points....

KTs are my favorite target as 3rd armored... players get cocky and advance them blindly..... perfect targets for the 76 after a couple of 220 pt P-38s...

proper panther micro against a well managed 76 means giving up ground... rocket artying whatevers in the smoke and charging a wave of infantry and autocannons at it... its highly effective but the panther is not involved in it....

Not everyone is a retarded child that blindly advances their KTs, and if you play against even a halfway decent player with KTs your tanks, all of them, Jumbos, 76s, they're all dead.

 

[gbem]

Have you thought about not having literally zero other units between your panther and a Sherman? That way they can't drive up over half a klik on you? See, you are under the impression, it seems, that the Allies are somehow stomping the axis in games, which makes no sense considering that there is no real allied playerbase to speak of. If you do this EVEN LESS people will play Allies, which means the game will be EVEN MORE dead.

as an allied player its not my panther and a sherman.... its my sherman and my panther... id like to see some justice between them
this nerf affects 2 divisions... 3rd armored and france..... france is already the most brutal phase A division with 2 M10s and is anything but overpowered.... and 3rd armored is really powerful in the right hands...

Not hardly. What is the accuracy and the chance to pen for the 76 compared to the accuracy and chance to pen for a Panther vs a 76? Guarantee you that if the 76 misses the first shot (~50% chance of that) it's dead. I have literally never had the problem you are describing and apparently nobody else has either because nobody plays allies and even the ones who do play decks that have real AP tanks that can actually maybe just possibly damage a Panther or KT every once in a while.

uhh no.. the sherman 76 is more accurate than the equivalent panther D from 12th SS due to the additional veterancy.... and against lehr it still would fire first giving a suppression modifier to the accuracy of the panther D.... and regardless lehr is almost useless against 3rd armored at A... 2 m4a3s are awsome at destroying lehr players... guaranteed

Not everyone is a retarded child that blindly advances their KTs, and if you play against even a halfway decent player with KTs your tanks, all of them, Jumbos, 76s, they're all dead.

fun fact... as a 3rd armored player i actually dont use jumbos... the proliferation of pak 43s see to it.... rather i use the sherman 76 and engage the enemy supporting assets first using smoke to cut off the heavy enemy AT... or rocket artillery to just panick everything..... afterwards the panicked KT is vulnerable to a P-38 strike or even more bombardment and therefore vulnerable to flanking by sherman 76... considering that using the KT means 380/350 pts worth of no support assets for the enemy i consider that a major investment.... and a major weakness in the enemy`s support chain... i could buy a calliopie and a sherman 76 for that 1 KT...

 

[Boxman]

as an allied player its not my panther and a sherman.... its my sherman and my panther... id like to see some justice between them
this nerf affects 2 divisions... 3rd armored and france..... france is already the most brutal phase A division with 2 M10s and is anything but overpowered.... and 3rd armored is really powerful in the right hands...




uhh no.. the sherman 76 is more accurate than the equivalent panther D from 12th SS due to the additional veterancy.... and against lehr it still would fire first giving a suppression modifier to the accuracy of the panther D.... and regardless lehr is almost useless against 3rd armored at A... 2 m4a3s are awsome at destroying lehr players... guaranteed



fun fact... as a 3rd armored player i actually dont use jumbos... the proliferation of pak 43s see to it.... rather i use the sherman 76 and engage the enemy supporting assets first using smoke to cut off the heavy enemy AT... or rocket artillery to just panick everything..... afterwards the panicked KT is vulnerable to a P-38 strike or even more bombardment and therefore vulnerable to flanking by sherman 76... considering that using the KT means 380/350 pts worth of no support assets for the enemy i consider that a major investment.... and a major weakness in the enemy`s support chain... i could buy a calliopie and a sherman 76 for that 1 KT...

So you understand that the Jumbo is useless? Which means you understand that the half dozen or so 76s with maybe 1 vet are the only tanks worth taking for 3AD? Sorry, but indict belief that you are a 3AD player. If you were an allied regular you wouldn't be asking for the 3AD and 2eb to be totally useless.

It's obvious that arguing with you is pointless, but if you can't win against 76 Shermans even with Panthers then there is no helping you.

 

[gbem]

So you understand that the Jumbo is useless? Which means you understand that the half dozen or so 76s with maybe 1 vet are the only tanks worth taking for 3AD? Sorry, but indict belief that you are a 3AD player. If you were an allied regular you wouldn't be asking for the 3AD and 2eb to be totally useless.

It's obvious that arguing with you is pointless, but if you can't win against 76 Shermans even with Panthers then there is no helping you.

i cant win against sherman 76s with panthers? hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range... and if they do know what to do i always do this

"proper panther micro against a well managed 76 means giving up ground... rocket artying whatevers in the smoke and charging a wave of infantry and autocannons at it... its highly effective but the panther is not involved in it...."

i remember one french player pulling that trick.... the wave after wave of rocket arty and charging autocannons + panzergrenadiers made short work of him...

 

[Boxman]

i cant win against sherman 76s with panthers? hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range... and if they do know what to do i always do this

"proper panther micro against a well managed 76 means giving up ground... rocket artying whatevers in the smoke and charging a wave of infantry and autocannons at it... its highly effective but the panther is not involved in it...."

i remember one french player pulling that trick.... the wave after wave of rocket arty and charging autocannons + panzergrenadiers made short work of him...

"I've never lost a Panther to a 76"

"76s are OP and need a nerf"

You are trolling, or you don't see the irony in your posts. Either way the game is dead and it is partially the fault of people like you. I'm done with this conversation for obvious reasons.

 

[gbem]

"I've never lost a Panther to a 76"

"76s are OP and need a nerf"

You are trolling, or you don't see the irony in your posts. Either way the game is dead and it is partially the fault of people like you. I'm done with this conversation for obvious reasons.

are you stupid or something? read my statements first instead of cherrypicking words like an idiot
please read this....

hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...

let me emphasise it again
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...

sure there is a tactic against well managed 76 shermans... but it involves spending almost TWICE the points to counter a single 76 sherman..... that is a highly price inefficient counter and you are incompetent to not realize this....

 

[Boxman]

are you stupid or something? read my statements first instead of cherrypicking words like an idiot
please read this....

hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...

let me emphasise it again
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...
hah... ive never lost my panthers to sherman 76s....almost nobody uses them properly and tries to engage my panthers at long range...

sure there is a tactic against well managed 76 shermans... but it involves spending almost TWICE the points to counter a single 76 sherman..... that is a highly price inefficient counter and you are incompetent to not realize this....

Thanks for contributing to a dead game, I guess.

 

[gbem]

As a player of 3rd armored 15th scots 101st 2nd ID guards armored (ghetto 3rd arm) and on occasion 2e DB cheesemaster...

id say most allied players just dont know how to use their shit and wanna head on fight axis heavytanks expect to win and cry about it when they dont..... you see heres a thing....

i feel allies armour deck against german armour deck is more micro heavy but definitely more rewarding both K/D and territory wise if you can handle it because of the close range advantage and superior stun support.

if a scrub plays the allies they will die against an equally scrubby axis player..... however if the allied player knows his shit then the equally skilled axis player is in deep shit... unless they pull the HS-129 card which is still sorta broken (and i made a forum about already)

 

[gbem]

the only appropriate thing to bitch about is RNG and how shitty it is ingame... sorta frustrating to lose an early m4a3 to a lucky gerlich at 900m and 2% chance to pen.....

 

[gbem]

Oh and btw i supported a sherman 75/pz4 buff.... such a buff is a BIG BOON TO THE ALLIES overall especially considering how superior it is already to the shitty pz4

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I think this thread has lost its way somewhere. Closed.