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The institutions now provide technological disparity until Global Trade (1600s), then equalizing the world tech, while in reality it was completely opposite (maybe even in the way of "tech disparity until 1600s, then constantly increasing, very big tech disparity"). Balancing the tech so that even in 1821 there are very backwards nations would significantly improve the late game.
 
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Yeah, they need to tweak Global Trade to spread slower, and Manufactories, Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution to spread slower and usually appear in Europe.
 
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Yeah, they need to tweak Global Trade to spread slower, and Manufactories, Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution to spread slower and usually appear in Europe.
Or just spread slower in general. If someone has ahistorically become the powerhouse of the world instead of Europe, no reason why a ruined mess of Europe deserves special privileges there, Europe had been doing a LOT behind the scenes to result in what happened historically. Whoever has become the centre of this new world order should remain in the power seat.

Or at the least tie it to not fire for specific government types if the issue is (for example) "Oh a theocracy would be too tied up in rejecting science which goes against the holy texts to industrialise without external pressure" or "Steppe Nomads never settle down, they're constantly migrating and don't stay in one place to build Manufactories". Okay. Fair enough. Then tie it to that government type, rather than to a tech type. I could see a resurging Iberian Caliphate resulting in a technology boom in mirror to what they'd managed centuries beforehand. Equally I could see a Ming or Qing which, rather than sit on its laurels and becoming isolationist (along with dropping the arrogance that said "only gold and silver interest us, there's NOTHING other nations can offer us), decided to involve itself in the world's politics becoming the heart of global trade.

It would certainly be more fun to see a world where different places rise and fall in reflection of what their nations are doing. Golden ages appear...and end. There definitely shouldn't be the current linear progression where at the end of the day each "Golden age" is about 10 years before everyone else in the world (who isn't a native and hard-locked out of their chance to do so) catches up and its business as usual.
 
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Yeah, they need to tweak Global Trade to spread slower, and Manufactories, Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution to spread slower and usually appear in Europe.
Manufactories and Industrialization should appear and spread in most industrialized areas on the world, which may be not Europe in particular campaign.

Enlightenment is somewhat more complex, it's partly a social change that cannot be done just by spamming universities everywhere, however in game 2 of 3 possible spawn conditions are already biased towards Europe.

It indeed makes sense to slow down spread of these four institutions, both neighbor-based and "natural growth". However, there should be more ways to speed it up then just development, e.g. Global Trade could progress faster in countries that have more merchants.

Requirements for natural growth could be made more strict. For example, now Farm Estate manufacory cannot spawn Manufactories institution but still allows to grow it, which results in more or less uniform speed of growth all over the world. If it e.g. required 20 dev, 15 dev neighbors, and non-farm manufactory (like spawning condition) to have any natural growth, in most parts of the world it would spread from neighbor to neighbor just like earlier institutions. However, if province satisfies these conditions it should be rewarded with high speed of growth, perhaps removing "wrong continent" penalty (e.g. if institution was spawned outside of Europe but Europe is sufficiently advanced, it should not slow down spread of institution there).

Spread of institution can have minimum technology requirements
 

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Bumping this as institutions really, really need some balancing. I think some people are too stuck on the actual labels given to each institution when the issue is really how unbalanced the tech spread is relative to actual history. A player should certainly be able to influence things to make any region of the world the center of innovation, but from what I’ve seen nearly every run ends up with Africa and India on par with European tech while East Asia falls wildly behind. The main issue seems to be that institutions, as they work now, really only spread based on proximity. There’s no mechanic to show India (and *especially* Africa) falling behind Europe while East Asia does a decent job keeping up because the institutions mainly spread via shared borders. In my opinion it’s one of the biggest issues in current versions of the game, every run ends with an East African and Indian great power while China and Japan are the backwater of the planet, which is silly.
 
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