Badboys/Usurping

[feelotraveller]

1) I have been playing DV latest 2.1 patch and not getting any reduction in badboy points when my ruler dies. Is this right? A lot of posts have led me to expect 1/3 reduction but I have never seen this.

2) i've also read in a few places that the prestige costs for usurping should be lower than those for grabbing titles but the prestige costs have always been the same for me.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

1) Yes your badboy should get lower when your ruler dies. Where did you check to see if it got lower (or not).

2) AFAIK usurping doesn't cost less prestige, usurping allows you to get a claim while you don't have the prestige to 'pay' for it. Suppose you have 100 prestige and the cost of a title is 200 prestige. Then you can't claim the title, since you lack 100 prestige. But with usurping, you can get claim you just end up with -100 presitge (100-200). Also usurping doesn't give you badboypoints.

 

[feelotraveller]

I usually check badboys roughly by going to the vassals screen (okay it's only accurate to 1/4 point but it does the job). But I have also checked by going to the savegame file. That's why I'm sure I'm not losing any badboys when my current ruler dies and passes on the kingdom/duchy. It caused me no end of trouble in the game when I first realised this as I had about 9 badboys and was counting on the reduction to make things (barely) manageable.

I take it I should be losing them, any hunches as to why I am not? I'll start a new game and keep some saves to show you.

Thanks for great the explanation of usurping, I'd never been able to figure out the advantage (other than not accruing badboys).

 

[americanu197]

First of all its not 1/4 , that would mean 0.25 , when in fact its 0.4 so thats more like 2/5 , so start counting from their...and i was up to like 25 BB at one point but with a good chancellor its manageable

 

[feelotraveller]

You are right. One badboy point means -0.4 loyalty.

I should have been clearer.

By 1/4 of a point accuracy I meant that you can only guess at your actual badboy points to that degree. E.g., if your vassal loyalty shows -1.1 from reputation then that is roughly 2 and 3/4 badboy points. But it could be 2.8 or it could be 2.6 (or more, or less). The smallest change shown on the vassal ledger is 0.1 (1/4 of a badboy point).

25 badboys, wow. I thought nasty things had a tendency to happen once you accrued too many points?