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Hey Yasko, +11 with that expansion is impressive. No one would declare war on me. Allied with Hungary, Saxony, Bohemia and Bavaria, so not many nations have a chance to attack that block.

What was the hit for peaceful annexation of Hungary? They have so far refused all my attempts to even vassilize, but now I got the HRE back, maybe I'll have a chance. This is the quietest game I've played, time flying by. I have a new appreciation for the Habsburgs, the tax value of the land is awful, by far the toughest nation I've played so far.

 

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Maybe....

Maybe we are starting to loose the point of the Bad Boy value.....

It was introduced because some gamers complained that the world did NOT hate you when trying to conquer it....

Now players are complaining that they are not able to conquer the world without being hated....

Poor Paradox... Where ever they turn, the butt is still in the back.....

Taking Inka and Aztecs before 1511....
Taking more than 20 provincese in Europe in less than 50 years....

Well, I guess that makes you a bad boy in any history book and we just have to assume that the AI have read the history carefully ;-)

I have to admit that I have not yet had any larger problems with the bad boy value.... As Russia or England, it's not a big deal.... You get some war declarations, but if you have you defense in order, no problems...
You might even have to admit that you loose a province or two sometimes... But hey, it's just a game ;-)

 

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It was introduced because some gamers complained that the world did NOT hate you when trying to conquer it....

Now players are complaining that they are not able to conquer the world without being hated....

Yes but I like the bad boy 'fix' for those powermonger players. Serves them right. It's not a shooting gallery folks, it's supposed to be realistic. It could be improved if it were more selective, but I am a fan of Bad Boy.

Bad Boy rules and so he shall over all powermongers who lack finesse!

 

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Yeah but there are parts of it that aren't realistic.

Even if you do expand. As France I annexed Genoa, Halvatia, Milan, Parma. Two in defense. But yet after that -200 with every major power except Russia and Ottomans.

To me that is unrealistic.

And then once I got a little too powerful War everywhere. Which is true to a certain extent, but I had to take on Prussia, Poland, England, Spain, Navarra, Venice, Austria, Hansa, Incas, Portugal, all at the same time. That is not realistic, they all plotted against me. Why would all these countries work together? I can see maybe England and Spain acting together.

Plus if you annex Incas, Aztecs, Iriqious it affects your badboy. But it shouldn't, because in reality it didn't. Europe could care less about the Indians.

Another thing, your Badboy increases whenver you colonize. That's just not real even in the slightest.

I don't mind the BB, but I do want to be able to Monger the whole world at least once while playing.

I do mind it when it's not real. Ottomans hate you more for attacking Christians, or Christians hate you more for attacking Ottomans. That's just not real, if anything Christian countries would be glad to seee the muslims dying.

Also with Protestants, Catholics now side with Protestant nations against me.

I'm still convinced there are bugs in the game. I'm wondering how Scotland completely fortified to level 2, promoted baliffs, and had time to raise a 50k army in just 3 years?

 

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Badboy is good

You should be a very badboy for taking provinces in europe. If you conquer half of France you should be despised. I'm just saying that there should be differences between conquering Incas and conquering Frenchmen. By the same token the Russians should be able to gobble up the golden horde. When they start coming into Poland, people should worry.

As far as I can tell it is the American players who want to rule the world without consequence! (Ducking & running).

--Avenger

 

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Badboy is great! If you do not behave as a civilized nation did in this era you create a massive coalition. That is completely realistic and fair. If a nation threatened the balance of power, every country would drop their rivalries to address the rogue state.

 

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The badboy value definately needs tweeking, hopefully to make it part of the original diplomatic system, and maybe an option to turn off for the meglomaniacs out there. But in the meantime, if you feel that the values are wrong, edit the save file. You can create your own badboy assessment to your hearts content.

 

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Shows me where in history 4 majors powers ganked one majore power?(Plus a slew of minors)

I can think of France, Ottomans/ Austrain, Spain. But I can only recall pairs. Maybe Netherlands/France/Engladn/ all weakening spains massive oversea power.

It's no realistic for me to get -200 with almost every major just for annexing one minor.

Poland annexed Courland/Prussia/TO/and Hansa in my last game, and not diplomatically. But everyone was as happy as could be with them.

I just find myself wanting to hack the files so I can conquer the world.

 

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I started a furious / most difficult game as Spain, with an initial startegy to stay out of all european wars. France attacked me in 1492 and I annexed two provinces from her after a long war. I annexed the Inca and Aztec Empires in my only declarations of war. I have been at war constantly since day one now except for two less than one year interludes of peace. I have never initiated a war in Europe. I keep annexing provinces and countries in these constant defensive wars and now my bad boy value is 108. Is there any hope for peace for Spain or will a 108 value never go away? I'm having a lot of fun in this constant warfare but I think that the bad boy value led me to this sorry path of death and conquest. I'm so worried about the constant war causing revolts that I felt the only sensible solution was to crack down on the number of potential opponents by annexing some of the countries declaring war on me. I figure with less opponents, there is a greater chance of a break in the wars. I also feel it is my duty as a christian monarch to liberate the people of these small principalities from their obviously insane princes who unilaterally declare war on the largest power in Europe. The good Lord only knows what other atrocities these mad princes of Europe are capable of. I feel that my conversion of the poor primitive savages of the Incas and Aztecs, and the colonization of parts of the Americas, drove all the monarchs of Europe into a frenzy of environmentalism. It seems they have become incensed by my perceived injustices against the noble savages of the new world. If only the historical monarchs had cared as much for the peoples of the New World what a beautiful land I would be living in. Oh well.

 

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I can't shows you because in real history no country was as aggressive as you are playing it. But outside the realm of this came, Napoleon comes to mind where virtually all of Europae united against him eventually after he was shown to be a real bad boy.

 

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'Hey Yasko, +11 with that expansion is impressive. No one would declare war on me. Allied with Hungary, Saxony, Bohemia and Bavaria, so not many nations have a chance to attack that block.

What was the hit for peaceful annexation of Hungary? They have so far refused all my attempts to even vassilize, but now I got the HRE back, maybe I'll have a chance. This is the quietest game I've played, time flying by. I have a new appreciation for the Habsburgs, the tax value of the land is awful, by far the toughest nation I've played so far.'

I recommend that you start as Ottomans if you want to play an interesting game with Austria. Just DOW on Memlukes and annekt them(it usually takes 2 years). Then change to Austria, now Turkish AI will be much more dangerous and aggressive in Balkan, which will increase the joy of your game. Maybe the reason that I have so low Badboy is because I started the game as Ottomans, I don't know. But don't try to vassalise Hungary before 1526, historically their king died around that time and he didn't have any predecessor, maybe that´s the reason that I could vassalize Hungary(bear in mind that I already had Bohemia, so Austria was bigger). And make your relation +200 with Hungary before, if your relation stays at +200 under one year without decreasing to +199 or something, it means it will be easier. You also need a monarch with high diplomatic skills....

 

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Thanks Yasko, I'll try that next time. I peacefully annexed Bohemia for a +5. In this game Turkey are having the worst game I have seen from them. All the Moslem countries have taken bits of their Empire.

As far as the game having unrealistic coaliations, there are examples in history. Holland, France and Spain V England in the US war of Independence, Sweden, France, Austria Russia V Prussia and England in the 7 Years War, and the War of Spanish Succession- Europe V France.

If you really want to powermonger, get a strong alliance with another major early, they usualy stick with you provided you give them enough money and their badboy value rises taking some of the heat off you.

 

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OK, here's the weirdest change I've seen. Playing as Austria in July 1734 and my bb=8. I declare war with Poland and overrun a couple of provinces. France takes the opportunity to declare war on me. I'm just about to make peace when the year changes, so I check the autosave file and my badboy has risen to 11. I never realized that the value could change without taking provinces. I make peace, take Danzig and Posen, and my badboy rises to 13.

I would have expected it to be around 13 at the end of the war, but it was particularly sneaky in anticipating my land grab and having France kick me from behind.

Has anyone else seen this?

 

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Actually Strom, the game begins in the era of gran coalitions. The first formal alliance coalition to control the avarice of another nation was the Treaty of Cambrai, directed against Venice gaining too much influence in Italy. The coalition brought together numerous states, including seeming enemies like France, Austria, and the Papacy (and other minors also). So, this idea of bad boy is very much in keeping with the diplomatic developments of the time.

If you want to warmonger without impunity then ask for the next EU to focus on the post-Roman pre-Cambrai era. Even then there were retraints on expansion as states formed temporrary coalitions to ward off a powerful common menace.

 

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Hey Savant ! i see you switched over from Crawl to Power also (Man i hate Craptivision) EU rocks, AI totally has blown me away. lol People at Apolyton , still scratchin there heads , Trying to fix the Retarded CTP2 AI. Anyway EU rocks , Btw i liked your Early Europe Scenario better than the Late one.


To Replyer: if you wanna divide and conquer with ease , Go but CTP2 and play on Diety

 

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Ummm. . . . How exactly do you display a .eug file? I tried Notepad & just got funky symbols.

 

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Originally posted by jfarber
I can't shows you because in real history no country was as aggressive as you are playing it. But outside the realm of this came, Napoleon comes to mind where virtually all of Europae united against him eventually after he was shown to be a real bad boy.

After all of Europe united behind him. That's a flawed view. The only reason people did was ebcause they saw the defeat in Russia.

You're are saying by annexing one province, one country has one province that I get everyone pissed and no one in history ever annexed a country like this.

 

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Badboy

Badboy is really good for the game,

But it's not all that real. I refuse to believe 12 countries would actaully ally all against me for annexing 3 minors, all having one province a piece.

And the aztec, inca badboy should be removed. As well as badboy for attacking muslims if your christian, or attacking christians if your muslim.

I'm talking about fellow christians, they would be happy that someone was attacking the heathen and vice-versa

 

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Originally posted by glen
Ummm. . . . How exactly do you display a .eug file? I tried Notepad & just got funky symbols.

I use MS Word and it is just fine.

 

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Try wordpad or a real good shareware texteditor. I recomend www.ultraedit.com myself.