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What are the effects of badboy/reputation?

I know for sure that it increases vassal loyalty drop. But other than that, does it affect things like population loyalty, AI aggressiveness, diplomatic proposal success rate, order of succession and so on?
 

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Yes I've read that FAQ. But please read my question carefully: I'm asking what are the effects of BB, not what affects BB.
Mostly each point of BB hurts your vassal's loyalty. It's the "reputation" loyalty hit mentioned in the tooltip. If you have a small realm and high intrigue this isn't a huge problem -- most of the country is your desmene so you don't need no stinking vassals. If you're Germany BB really, really, really sucks.

It also affects diplomacy greatly. Other countries are less likely to agree with a treacherous bastard. In practical terms CK diplomacy is limited to diplo-vassalization, marriages, and revoking titles. Diplo-vassalization is always a long shot, but it's totally useless if your reputation is tarnished. BB doesn't seem to hurt marriage prospects much. I can't tell you anything about revoking titles. I never try.

Note that Counts and Dukes pledge allegiance to their natural liege voluntarily if he's got a good reputation. So if you want to re-unite a fractured Kingdom the best thing to do is get rid of BB. Eventually everyone will come back of their own accord.

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It's much more difficult to revoke titles if you have high badboy, especially as this reduces the loyalty of your vassals, which also makes it more difficult to revoke titles. Revoking titles is mostly useful from a role-play/house rules standpoint, where you can centralize control over a state and reduce the number of count vassals (if you're a king).
 

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You can't. If you look at the loyalty change on your vassals, though, you can get a rough idea. They'll get a penalty based on your badboy. The bigger it is (say, -2% rather than -1%) then the bigger your badboy.
 

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The post I linked to above gives you an idea of what your BB points will be based on how your reputation is described.

Wiki Walker said:
All was tested on difficulty “hard” by initiate an action then save and took a look into the savegame file.
Could be that conclusions on other difficulty levels differ from this.

0 BB = We have an honourable reputation
1-2 BB = We have a respectable reputation
3-5 BB = We have a slightly tarnished reputation
6-10 BB = We have a tarnished reputation
11-15 BB = We have a rather bad reputation
16-20 BB = We have a very bad reputation
21-25 BB = We have an extremly bad reputation
26-30 BB = We are dishonourable scum
30+ BB = We are worse than Dishonourable scum
 

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Ah I get it. Seems despite my Emperor's genius and success (he became master of a lot of Egypt and the holy land on top of his inherited lands of the Balkan peninsula, Asia Minor and Southern Italy; Also he forced the once King of Sicily (taken my his father) to reckonise his title as well as usurping the kingships of Egypt, Jerusalem and Arabia) his vassals didn't like him and I was constantly putting down rebellion after rebellion. I tried handing out some duke titles (which I normally keep to my ruler) to some vassals but I fear my BB points were very high. Still I had the last laugh!

Was a little disappointed by the lack of pomp at the end.
 

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Convert and play on in EU3. :p