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as i said, that is just the core team. There are several other devs working on it aswell. Groogy for example was temporarily stolen from CK2 to help with the AI. Wiz seems to do some stuff with the HoI IV ai aswell but SteelVolt is the one that does the major AI work if i recall correctly.

@mdw1985 They dont have to tell us at all if the game was approved for beta or not. The only people who really need this information are the beta testers themself right now. The devs are still on vacation, remember that. Sure, they could post a quick info on the forum, but would you take work home with you? Be happy that Johan told us at all.

Johan told us??? Ehhh no...johan told one guy via twitter. Hey would have told "us", if he posted it in the forum...

My critics is not, that johan told it or not. My critics is, how he told it. And this could have been managaed better...

This is the exact reason they don't say anything though, people will just start to get all unreasonably pissy and start being unfriendly to the devs, and then the rather understandably devs wont want to interact as much, and nobody wants that.

And telling some guy via twitter makes it better? Really???
 
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This is the exact reason they don't say anything though, people will just start to get all unreasonably pissy and start being unfriendly to the devs, and then the rather understandably devs wont want to interact as much, and nobody wants that.

You are right.
People also forget that they are on their holidays. You don't make announcements and write on forums on Chrismas holiday.
Our latest official information was that the beta was rejected. That didn't change at all, so I don't see why are some people so suprised about this fact.
 
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You are right.
People also forget that they are on their holidays. You don't make announcements and write on forums on Chrismas holiday.
Our latest official information was that the beta was rejected. That didn't change at all, so I don't see why are some people so suprised about this fact.

Nope, the last news was, that they had a beta submission on monday before christmas...big difference..
 
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How so?
I think Podcat or Johan mentioned that they TRY to make a new beta submission before Xmas.

I understand the first sentence of the cv dd from johan otherwise...
 
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I understand the first sentence of the cv dd from johan otherwise...

Hello and welcome to the 37th Hearts of Iron IV Development Diary. We’re crunching like mad, to make a new beta-submission on monday.

This is the last information we have.
I don't see any confirmation that they managed to finish it, or that the QA team actually had enough time to test the new beta submission.
The only reason to think otherwise was because someone accidentally posted a screenshot on the forums a few days before xmas.
 

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I think Twitter and other leaks is part of their information management plan. They happen quite frequently- often Johan.

Somebody mentioned fuel. Heck could be a major issue with something none of us guess; culminations of small issues; or mix.
That said, my worry would Battle planner/ AI as we've not really seen these working in depth. But I'm not worried or ranty because a delay to get it right is by far the best for them and us.
 
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@mdw1985 You know that people like you are the reason the devs stop posting stuff on the forums right? Demanding stuff in an very hostile tone against the devs which is far from being productive and if anything only contraproductive.
 
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Basically I think that two years and more for advancing the game mechanics of the previous HOIs plus some modernised graphics is a bit too long for a team of a proper size. It seems more like a team of few people struggling to overcome overload.
 
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@mdw1985 You know that people like you are the reason the devs stop posting stuff on the forums right? Demanding stuff in an very hostile tone against the devs which is far from being productive and if anything only contraproductive.

Hostile? Really??? If i were hostile, it would sound very different...i critisize the information policy of pdx. And i add "with all respects" very very often in my posts, when i critisize things in the forum here. Go to my "hostile" profile page and check it out if you want...really - with all respects - continue behaving like a fanboy, but don't tell me to swallow critics if i need to post them...
 
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Hostile? Really??? If i were hostile, it would sound very different...i critisize the information policy of pdx. And i add "with all respects" very very often in my posts, when i critisize things in the forum here. Go to my "hostile" profile page and check it out if you want...really - with all respects - continue behaving like a fanboy, but don't tell me to swallow critics if i need to post them...
Constantly nagging the developers in threads not related to the issue at hand isn't exactly friendly or respectful, and can easily be felt as hostility. Adding "With all respects" doesn't change anything, cause I could call you an idiot and add with all respects to it, but it would still be hostile.

You have no rights, as you haven't bought anything yet. So lay off the criticism and nagging. If Paradox service, behaviour or product do not please you, you can simply choose not to buy it and move on.
 
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Hostile? Really??? If i were hostile, it would sound very different...i critisize the information policy of pdx. And i add "with all respects" very very often in my posts, when i critisize things in the forum here. Go to my "hostile" profile page and check it out if you want...really - with all respects - continue behaving like a fanboy, but don't tell me to swallow critics if i need to post them...
You claim to be polite, but then you immediately insult us calling by us a "fanboy". 'With all respects' that is.

This is getting out of hand and everyone needs to chill. The game will be ready when it's ready.
 
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I think Twitter and other leaks is part of their information management plan. They happen quite frequently- often Johan.

It would seem so, but it's a ratehr poor information management.
Cities: Skylines had a TotallyMoo. HOI has nobody.

@mdw1985 You know that people like you are the reason the devs stop posting stuff on the forums right? Demanding stuff in an very hostile tone against the devs which is far from being productive and if anything only contraproductive.

I don't see anything hostile in what he wrote honestly.
He's pissed at the way the info was given.

Constantly nagging the developers in threads not related to the issue at hand isn't exactly friendly or respectful either. You have no rights, as you haven't bought anything yet. So lay off the criticism and nagging. If Paradox service, behaviour or product do not please you, you can simply choose not to buy it and move on.

The problem is not that simple though. I agree with you, we can vote with our wallets. We have no rights as such. But Paradox claim the community to be important. And here it is the community. We have not bought the game yet, but we're all potential customers and as such we should be treated fairly. Should Paradox accept all of our demands? Of course not. Should Paradox keep us informed? Well, no, but a post on the forum is not that time consuming. Is there a shitstorm after that post? Who cares?

The problem I see here is that in some cases the devs will reply friendly to anything that is asked to them. You know, in a DD if someone points out some details they're superfriendly and asnwer/joke with the users. Then, if you asked about the project itself, they hardly reply.

So, is the dev team a bunch of people we can more or less freely interact with? Do they act like a big publisher's studio or like an indie studio? Somewhere in between, of course. But this causes issues.

Now,

in regards to the beta itself, it could mean anything and nothing.

Some Publishers have an internal department that guarantees that its product are up to standard.
They have a sort of check list which vary and might include things like:
A) Game needs to be stable
B) Game needs to have tutorial
C) Game needs to have less than X bugs...

Problem is that some Publishers have also departments that say whether the game is fun or not fun. Whether it needs changes or not. However, I really doubt this is the game because it seems to me way too late to change core mechanics (such as fuel/supply).

So,
- if someone at Paradox all of a sudden has decided that the game is not fun, we're in deep excrement. But I seriously doubt this to be the case for a number of reasons.
- if someone at Paradox has decided that the game doesn't meet certain requirements, it really depends on the requirements themselves. I suppose this to be the case. The game probably has more bugs than expected or all the features they've added have slowed the game too much (maybe the supply system "has no oil" to save computing?)
 
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You claim to be polite, but then you immediately insult us calling by us a "fanboy". 'With all respects' that is.

This is getting out of hand and everyone needs to chill. The game will be ready when it's ready.

You see yout own truth, don't you? ;)

1st: i called him that, not you! So stop making this your business by saying "us"...

2nd calling me "hostile" is an insult as well, which he made in the first move. So i reacted on that.
 
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Everyone wants a good game, and a delay to make it correct is understandable....
but a years delay is kinda bad, and we are way past that... rediculous.

Yes. The "it's done when it's done statement" will only work for so long before it gets annoying and tedious. At some point in time we have to stop saying "Who cares when it comes out, as long as it's good" and start saying "Pick up the pase Paradox." Not now, but soon.

And you're right @mdw1985, they need to work on information. I mean they could just grab a model forum goer and tell him to make announcements every once in awhile. It can't be that hard. I can cut paradox some slack, but there's only so much I can do.
 
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Now,

in regards to the beta itself, it could mean anything and nothing.

Some Publishers have an internal department that guarantees that its product are up to standard.
They have a sort of check list which vary and might include things like:
A) Game needs to be stable
B) Game needs to have tutorial
C) Game needs to have less than X bugs...

Problem is that some Publishers have also departments that say whether the game is fun or not fun. Whether it needs changes or not. However, I really doubt this is the game because it seems to me way too late to change core mechanics (such as fuel/supply).

So,
- if someone at Paradox all of a sudden has decided that the game is not fun, we're in deep excrement. But I seriously doubt this to be the case for a number of reasons.
- if someone at Paradox has decided that the game doesn't meet certain requirements, it really depends on the requirements themselves. I suppose this to be the case. The game probably has more bugs than expected or all the features they've added have slowed the game too much (maybe the supply system "has no oil" to save computing?)

Yeah, a complete guess but I figure bugs has a higher chance as they recently opened it out to Beta's so they'll likely get more conflicts with wide variety of non-paradox PCs....
 
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