Bad behavior of France (and possibly others)

[Beagá]

Noticed something that might be bad or good. Your opinions?

So Burgundy went to war with Provence and thus France, getting ROFLstomped in the process (through they did have their share of victories when armies DID clash).

Lots of occcupation of Burgundy. Capital by Provence.

The peace deal? Liberation of Brabant and Holland

Now I ask you: is that stupid or smart?

 

[Razor Feather]

France has now removed burgandy as a threat, while avoiding taking on massive ae and possibly opening up an opportunity for an alliance or diplovassalization with the new tags that have emerged. In the context of europe, where coalitions are a constant concern, it makes a lot of sense to dismantle an enemy without annexing them at times.

 

[Meglok]

@Beagá Well, it depends on the year, france's ae, and where the Burgundian inheritance is. If it is early France is better off just waiting to see if it can get Burgundy for free while not driving up ae space it will need later for Provence etc etc.

If it is later after the inheritance should have fired they do have the missions to own all french culture and the lowlands, so whether or not they bite off some of Burgundy depends on the world situation.

Of course, we are talking about the ai and it doesn't always make the smart choice, so....

 

[Beagá]

It's 1456 for context

 

[Zaddy]

No, unless they're going to be coalitioned, they just spent probably 400 dip or something silly like that to not materially advance their position.

 

[atwix]

AI militarists are hell bent to go for excommunicated neighbours. that is all.

If Burgundy would ally let's say savoy and call them in, they can win it. Burgundy alone vs france and provence sounds silly, but player can definatly do it. Problem with AI is that it doesn't focus on knocking cobelligerent like France out. A player would.. and player can do mission complete by snatching the lorraine area.

 

[Beagá]

That´s not the point man.

The alliance disregarded big territory gains for no short or medium term gain. And no no country in that alliance would face a coalition. Provence wouldn´t face a coalition for taking Dijon. Also IIRC... it was FRANCE the excommunicated country. Does exco give extra AE for conquest?

 

[Guibou]

Maybe, just maybe.

Provence did the treaty so France didn't have a say, AE or not.
Provence didn't want in HRE land to avoid conflit with unlawlful territory.
Provence didn't want to give France land because he feel threat from them, even if allies (cores/claims).
The leader of Provence have some sort of trait that affect behavior in peace deal.
Releasing vassals is a good way to weaken Burg with these premisses in mind.