Ideally native americans would have the smallpox events completely empty their manpower reserves and give -3 stability, but in return they would get bonuses like reforming their government dropping them to +40% tech from +150% as well as stronger mid game unit types to better represent the threat that the Natives were posing to colonial powers (especially the Iroquois.)
Aztec Fury
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I agree with the disease points. Eurasia and Africa should also be ravaged by diseases, and European armies in Central Africa should drop dead very fast indeed.
Well, now continuing my Zapotec campaign made me crap myself. Heck, as not-Aztecs I've already got a steeper climb ahead of me (because A: I don't the starting manpower and gold rich provinces the Aztecs start with, nor their free super leader than can practically solo the rest of Mesoamerica on his own, and B: at some point I'm going to have to take on the Aztecs and their rich, easily defensible mountain provinces), part of me is even nervous I may not be able to unite all of the region before Europeans arrive. 1460 now and I've taken out the Mixtec and Itza, while the Tatonac's are now my subjugated vassals. Still, that's nearly a century away from where you were when this happened, and I absolutely plan to take Exploration first and try to reach out to Europeans elsewhere in the Americas (Cuba, most like).
And I figure that's far more important to long term survival and success than overrunning ever single one of my Mesoamerican peers.
Tough break, OP, but survival in the Americas has always been dependent on Westernizing ASAP. RPing can be fun, but you still need to work towards survival first and foremost. Personally, I'm curious to how the AoW changes effect a long term play-through in the Americas. Back before CoP I had one with the Iroquois, and it became damn near tedious as I steamrolled through all the colonizers on the way to a super easy painting of the entire North American continent and down into Colombia. I think it'd be much more exciting if it required a wee bit of effort post-Westernization for me to accomplish my goal of a Zapotec empire stretching from Central America up through the American Southwest and on to the Pacific Northwest.
Guess we'll see. It'll probably just end in a rage quit after the OP's first post happens to me.
And I figure that's far more important to long term survival and success than overrunning ever single one of my Mesoamerican peers.
Tough break, OP, but survival in the Americas has always been dependent on Westernizing ASAP. RPing can be fun, but you still need to work towards survival first and foremost. Personally, I'm curious to how the AoW changes effect a long term play-through in the Americas. Back before CoP I had one with the Iroquois, and it became damn near tedious as I steamrolled through all the colonizers on the way to a super easy painting of the entire North American continent and down into Colombia. I think it'd be much more exciting if it required a wee bit of effort post-Westernization for me to accomplish my goal of a Zapotec empire stretching from Central America up through the American Southwest and on to the Pacific Northwest.
Guess we'll see. It'll probably just end in a rage quit after the OP's first post happens to me.
With. Inca was my first game in AOW. Colonised next to a Portuguese colony in Brazil in the 1520s and used that for it. I went out and found the Iberians, granted, I didn't wait for them to come to me.
As of last night I have a PU over Castille, which tickles me immensely.
Edit: Here's some pictorial proof from an old save. I actually could've done it a bit earlier, I think:
And also, just because it amuses me so:
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That's true, but again, the game mechanics don't really represent it well at all, and you can't get a very easy representation of how Cortes did it (where do the native troops come from if the player Aztecs have annexed everyone? Who pays for them? How do you represent both the impact of cavalry but also the fact the Aztecs beat the Spanish more than once?). Pizarro and the Incas (where he really did take over with a few hundred men in one of the most jaw-dropping runs of insane luck in history) is even harder to represent.
Eh, not strictly true. Bubonic plague came from Central-Asia, and we saw how that went when it came with the silk road and the mongols to Europe.
Then the game mechanics should represent it, maybe as a form of additional mercenaries. As for the Incas, they were ravaged by disease and rebellion. If these things were added then a few hundred Spaniards could conquer them with a lot of luck.
Doomstacks in the Americas must go.
With. Inca was my first game in AOW. Colonised next to a Portuguese colony in Brazil in the 1520s and used that for it. I went out and found the Iberians, granted, I didn't wait for them to come to me. As of last night I have a PU over Castille, which tickles me immensely.
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Nice empire and good date for westernisation. When you form Inca is there a special bonus or only change NI? Is this Holland or a native tribe at eastcoast of Brazil? Portugal South America colonys looks at the same position how in my game. Do you have the date of first main colony in Canada? What is you strategy for the colonize malus?
Just changed NI and free cores in the Andes, IIRC. The orange OPM is a native tribe (Holland has a different colour now; they colonised Trinidad and some of North America later). Don't know when the first colonies popped up in Canada, though I think France (colonising Acadia) was there first. One of the most successful colonisers there has been Norway, surprisingly (although England's gargantuan Newfoundland is the single most potent CN, basically taking all the northern coastline and being cut off by me at about 80 basetax).
The colonise malus didn't bother me - my entire strategy was colonising as rapidly as possible (because this game was as much as anything a test run to see if the colonial malus really hampers native empires - it doesn't). I took Exploration, Expansion, and Quantity as quickly as I reasonably could and used the policies they unlocked to turbocharge my colonial expansion (policies are a lot better now, well worth the one power point in each category I'm spending). I get well over +100 growth even in jungle provinces by the point where I've finished all three groups, and two extra colonists (from policy and Inca NIs) to boot.
Oh yes, you need them all. I'm not even close to filling in the Americas at 1706. They're SO many new provinces that I'm not sure it's possible for anyone to completely fill both continents (Castille would have the best chance, I suppose). No reason to roll back the idea groups since I'm still colonising at full speed.
Yes - the many new provinces are a problem. I have this learnd as i would go with Huron to Acadia. First idea was to make a block in Manicougan. Then i have stop in Stadacona/ Atikamekw and colonize in direction of Kespek. Next block should be in Mikmaq. Then i think its better let they way open. My plan was to wait for europe at both point that they countercolonize to me and have enough provinces to form Colonial Nations to neutralize the colonizemalus. But they early landing 1564 in Acadia and with tech 1 is to slow to colonize. Only 2 colonize missions. Stadacona and Anticosti. But no chance for the last. Self from Kespek the distance was to big to Anticosti. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116857&d=1413541905&stc=1 When i not save my points and go to exploration i believe there is no time benefit. But when i save the points the points is it just as dissipation.
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