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While the French state has been wiped off the face of the earth for some time now, the French people are far from disappeared. A large number of refugees would have fled the first Nazi invasion, and I imagine that the brief Allied return must have led to a wave of French boat people braving the Channel. In addition, the French would have had some time to move out of their colonial holdings in the face of the Axis tidal wave. I wouldn't be surprised if Britain and America supported a million French refugees at the very least by this point. These refugees would probably also contain a disproportionate number of political and military figures. I don't think the French government-in-exile in Washington has the gumption and manpower to set up shop in Paris just yet, but they definitely could hold down Tunisia and Algeria. And given the political realities of the time, returning those nations to French control is probably more feasible than setting up Arab puppets. If your conscience bothers you, keep reminding yourself that the French aren't getting their greedy paws on the rest of their old empire.
 

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Office of the Chief of Staff, The Pentagon, Arlington D.C.
13 December 1947
1100Z


General Eisenhower closed his eyes as his morning brief came to a close.

"One last thing, General. General von Witzleben, your counterpart on the other side, met his maker via a tragic accident on the Autobahn."

Eisenhower opened his eyes. "Is this news courtesy of our friends in the Office of Special Projects?"

"Yes sir. They're calling themselves the Office of Policy Coordination, nowadays."

Eisenhower snorted. "Well. von Witzleben's mistakes really helped us out in France - we'll see how his successor handles himself."

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Bravo on another "retirement party", RL.

I'm wondering, though; don't you have a better chance of success if you aim to stir up dissent? I'm wondering if that wouldn't be a better use of your dollars. After all, the Germans have a pretty decent pool of reserve ministers; it'll take a lot of time before you get them down to corrupt kleptocrats and blue shadows.
 

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Prufrock451 said:
Summary: most of the continent will remain American after the conquest for years to come. Liberia, Morocco, Ethiopia and South Africa are the only nations ripe for reorganization at this time. The Europeans should get back some small scraps of empire- but for the moment, they should keep their eyes firmly fixed on Berlin and let America deal with Africa.

While this is logical regarding the fact that in this time line all European countries lost all of their holdings, I deem it inplausible that the USA will garrison nearly all of Africa for a number of reasons. (These arguments of course depend on your point of view, wether you say "It's just a game" or try to make it as realistic as possible. Still, I'm not saying that my opinion is more than my opinion only.)

Generally, this war is waged on a scale that makes real-life WW2 look like child's play, because ALL of the world (except for some happy countries) are engulfed in warfare. War exhaustion of the population and the economic strain on the US will rise to incredible levels as the fighting slowly draws to a close. Assuming an eventual victory of the USA, it will be the only superpower in the world, as well as the only country with an more or less intact and self-sustaining economy. All of Europe, Africa and most of Asia will lie in ruins - the current combat zones in the south of France are devasted, for example, as will be more regions across the globe.

In effect, the USA will have to manage the whole world's recovery. A Marshall plan for Europe may well be installed, but Africa won't need one to return to pre-war economic levels because (I think) there wasn't that much of heavy fighting there. In order to get Europe and Russia back on their feet, the US will need all goods and cash reserves it can freely give away to install peaceful governments and create strong allies for the future. Africa would play a very minor role in these considerations, as possible allies there would not be very strong economy-wise and garrisons throughout Africa would demand many times the manpower of Europe, simply because of it's size. In order not to tie up too many precious ressources in regions that will most likely not repay this aid anytime soon by repaying this support or simply becoming strong and reliable allies, and not to tie up manpower that will be needed across the globe (Japan and Russia!), the USA would grant statehood to some African countries that can (or a hoped that they can) set up own, stable governments and furthermore decrease garrisoning to a level as low as possible. These remaining garrison may initially be still much larger in terms of covered area and also manpower than Europe, but would be decreased as quickly as feasible.

The only country to resume it's role in Africa would be the UK, because they were liberated first and got South Africa as a dominion, in contrast to the other African countries and regions that were colonies. But the age of colonialism is over, as well the fatigue of military conflict and their economic weakness and dependency on the USA may well forestall any European country's ambition to resurrect their African influence and holdings.

African countries would strive for independency and seek support from the USA, but would not be willing to trade their new freedom in order to become members of an artificial African Union. So the danger of new fascist countries emerging exists, but for the USA these would be mere sparks after they've extinguished a world's fire.

So, in my humble opinion, the reasons for the USA not to stay in Africa are the devasted economies around the world, it's own economy that has had it's strength sapped by years of warfare and now the need of supporting the build-up of more or less the whole world and the masses of troops any garrisoning of African countries would demand, as well as the logistical difficulties and the costs this would result in.
 

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True, but in this world the postwar environment will be much more pro-American than ours was. France and Britain will be virtually beholden to the US, there'll be no Cold War to soak up revenue, and America will be able to dictate prices on virtually everything they export and import. They won't spend nearly as much on Africa as the colonial powers did, because a US dollar will buy a lot more in 49 than a pound sterling did in 39.

The Marshall Plan represented a fairly small percentage of US expenditure in the postwar period; in this world, without the need to build a huge military and maintain nuclear deterrence, and with a much larger supply of friendly regimes and governments, the additional funds to rebuild Africa and Asia will be a cinch.

As to manpower demands; the military manpower and logistics aren't problems. It's the trained bureaucrats that can run a colony that are the issue. The only thing in shorter supply is a cadre of African intellectuals and professionals. For the time being, Africa can only remain in American hands. Maybe in a year or two, another couple of nations can come online or be returned to European hands. But I don't see any real alternative to American hegemony on the continent for the next decade.
 

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Signals Room, UNSN Preserve, 80km north of Palermo
16 December 1947
0900Z


Major Landau watched as the various Naval Intelligence officers under his command monitored the airwaves.

"Major, there's a lot of traffic coming out of Palermo proper. Italian, panicky, calling the RM and begging for transport."

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"Noted. I'd like to see the Italians try to get through the blockade."

Landau paced the small, smoky room, fighting the urge to light a cigarette of his own.

"Major?"

"What is it?"

"Italian Army communications, but from the north. Rome or Florence, probably Rome based on the signal strength."

"Not exactly relevant to the battle, Sanders."

"11th Alpine Infantry Regiment of the Pusteria Division has been ordered to shoot protesters, sir."

The room, normally quiet, fell silent.

"Outbound, get me a patch to the Pentagon. I need to talk with the man."
 

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The thought of what that militia division feels like under a -88.2% shore bombardment penalty and facing modern infantry leaves me wincing.

Vann
 

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Wow truly a great AAR. I think I'm gonna try this scenarion sometime soon :)
BTW: regarding the colonies: I think that France would/should/could get Northern Algeria back since there were a lot of French settlers there and it was basically regarded as part of France proper.
 
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Wow truly a great AAR. I think I'm gonna try this scenarion sometime soon :)
BTW: regarding the colonies: I think that France would/should/could get Northern Algeria back since there were a lot of French settlers there and it was basically regarded as part of France proper.

The US must prove it defends the Free World! Damn the Stinking French! We want a New Democratic Post War Order. We want the US As Liberators!
 

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Screaming-Eagle said:
The US must prove it defends the Free World! Damn the Stinking French! We want a New Democratic Post War Order. We want the US As Liberators!
So ethnic cleansing = liberation? :confused:
 

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HJ Tulp said:
So ethnic cleansing = liberation? :confused:

Why do you assume that an independent Algeria equals ethnic cleansing?

Sure, it did OTL. But is that guaranteed?
 

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Algeria has by now about 2 million Frenchmen, and could be the seat of a Free French government for now. Also, good work in Italy so far.
 

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What happens when you run out of ministers?
 

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Nice to see the begining of Operation Husky! What kind of reserves do you have for the invasion of Italy (proper) when/if that becomes necessary? Is there any air support (although the naval support is tremendous!)?
 

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I ask myself what would uncle Doug do at this point in Italy. If the Germans even manage to put 100 divisions there it's going to be like fighting three hundred with the hills/mountians and if the game weather is like the weather in rl was! ( my luck I always get rain and snow, six or seven months of a year )

Careful! It's a great prize for a strat bombing force or in the north your B-45's will be able to hit a good portion of germany in a tactical or strat role if needed. It may end up being costly though. I'd see if several landings along the entire coast could be done. Cut it up in like six parts, eat with some cheese and wine : )

Oh, Romanian Oil has just become vulnerable. Prehaps the black sea region as well to a USN taskforce and invasion force. Get some!

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