In real life - maybe.Maximilliano said:
In this AAR - boooooring!!! We already had that in rich-love's eariler AAR where he reversed a partial Soviet world conquest.
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In this AAR - boooooring!!! We already had that in rich-love's eariler AAR where he reversed a partial Soviet world conquest.
Current political situation in Asia:
The USSR is the red blob on the top-left. Siam is neutral - no complaints there. NatChi and its allies are still kicking; oddly, it's at war w/ everyone BUT Germany.
Japanese IC:
Intelligence estimates:
The naval tally here is very close. The only unaccounted-for capital ship is the LVL8 CV Taiho.
Keep debating, everyone! I'm getting ideas.
The USSR is the red blob on the top-left. Siam is neutral - no complaints there. NatChi and its allies are still kicking; oddly, it's at war w/ everyone BUT Germany.
Japanese IC:
Intelligence estimates:
The naval tally here is very close. The only unaccounted-for capital ship is the LVL8 CV Taiho.
Keep debating, everyone! I'm getting ideas.
I must say, this is a fabulous piece of work you're doing. I am enjoying it immensely.
Your continued strategy in the Far East depends on the condition of Nationalist China. Has it been pushed back, advancing, or holding? In the event of the former, you may wish to relieve some of the pressure by attacking from behind, if the latter two, concentrate on more pressing concerns, like Germany, and let the Japanese forces whither. If will take a while, but eventually, without manpower and supplies, the Japanese army will collapse.
Your continued strategy in the Far East depends on the condition of Nationalist China. Has it been pushed back, advancing, or holding? In the event of the former, you may wish to relieve some of the pressure by attacking from behind, if the latter two, concentrate on more pressing concerns, like Germany, and let the Japanese forces whither. If will take a while, but eventually, without manpower and supplies, the Japanese army will collapse.
Karl Martell said:
More exciting then?... well maybe the US could set up a "Republic of Japan"... one with relatively little support and small but well equipped armed forces, and Imperialist Japan based off the Mainland rallying some local support with promises of home rule and "asia for asians" and have a fun little Civil War going on in the middle of this greater struggle for civilization.
That was a lot less harder than I thought it would be, to take the Home Islands. Now it's time to finish off the Japs and land in China?
Japan was merely the side show - now they have been demolished it only remains for you to keep a watching brief on the Japanese in China.
I'd leave the NatChi's to clean up their own mess - the smaller Eastern axis powers (Persia/ Burma / India) are probably not worth the manpower to KO. Invading Koreas could be a useful finale to your Eastern Campaign as it will further knock down the Japanese IC and will be relatively easy to hold against any counter attack across the Yalu. You;ll need to keep Burma et al honest with some troops in that one province border in Indochina too.
Invade and release ROK. Leave some B-45's and a couple of carriers to hunt down the last remnants of the IJN and use minor Allies to garrison the East. Shift everyting else to the Atlantic / Europe outside Strat bomber range
(Canary Isles?)
Tough call in Europe as to where to invade next - I'm tempted to say Spain and Portugal but it might be an easier first step to try a "Torch" operation followed up by capturing Gibraltar and then the rest of Spain.
I'd leave the NatChi's to clean up their own mess - the smaller Eastern axis powers (Persia/ Burma / India) are probably not worth the manpower to KO. Invading Koreas could be a useful finale to your Eastern Campaign as it will further knock down the Japanese IC and will be relatively easy to hold against any counter attack across the Yalu. You;ll need to keep Burma et al honest with some troops in that one province border in Indochina too.
Invade and release ROK. Leave some B-45's and a couple of carriers to hunt down the last remnants of the IJN and use minor Allies to garrison the East. Shift everyting else to the Atlantic / Europe outside Strat bomber range
(Canary Isles?)Tough call in Europe as to where to invade next - I'm tempted to say Spain and Portugal but it might be an easier first step to try a "Torch" operation followed up by capturing Gibraltar and then the rest of Spain.
rich, you could take korea (the last japanese national provinces that might have IC outside the home islands, which you seem to be taking quite well) and then land at guangzhou and also shanghai and push inland to take nanjing. those three steps proably would stop japan as a military force, as they then probably won't have the industry or resources to maintain their military and with their TC vastly overloaded, they'll be easy pickings for the nationalists, hopefully.
My strategy would be:
* Land in Korea, to demolish their last industry, as Myth suggested. Free the Republic of Korea as a UN ally.
* ally with China
* land somewhere along the Chinese coast, preferably at a place where you can split the Japanese holdings in two, and then drive west to establish a corridor to link the Chinese with the coast. China is in terrible shape - you probably need to give them a hand, to help the Chinese get back on their feet (maybe liberate a few IC rich provinces for them) and then leave them to do the rest. Maybe they need help against their western and southern neighbours, though... particularly the Germans in the west... an expeditionary corps might be needed. You could mod the Chinese AI file to make them focus on annexing smaller Japanes puppets, and on getting their rich cores back.
* keep Japan occupied, until you have time to deal with them in detail - meanwhile, let them rot and have them get eaten by the Chinese.
* once the Japanese have lost China and Korea, you can manually trigger a surrender event - then you annex all that is left of Japan and can do as you wish with them. Manchuria would lose its puppet status and China can choose how best to deal with them. The Soviets and the Mongolians get their land back. You can then release Japan as a new puppet, but without their military.
I think the idea of a "republic of Japan" isn't that good. Firstly it would require a lot of modding, secondly it is extremely unrealistic. More likely, the US administer Japan militarily until the Japanese government kicks the bucket. It would also be unrealistic to assume that the US can simply walk away from a defeated Japan and leave the country to itself - no, even a defeated Japan still requires the US to keep forces in there. I guess you could lower the partisan level in the Japanese islands, though, to simulate that the demoralized Japanese get along alright with the occupiers. They did historically, and in here the emperor and the army are so badly disgraced that the home islands will refuse their calls for resistance to the occupiers.
* Land in Korea, to demolish their last industry, as Myth suggested. Free the Republic of Korea as a UN ally.
* ally with China
* land somewhere along the Chinese coast, preferably at a place where you can split the Japanese holdings in two, and then drive west to establish a corridor to link the Chinese with the coast. China is in terrible shape - you probably need to give them a hand, to help the Chinese get back on their feet (maybe liberate a few IC rich provinces for them) and then leave them to do the rest. Maybe they need help against their western and southern neighbours, though... particularly the Germans in the west... an expeditionary corps might be needed. You could mod the Chinese AI file to make them focus on annexing smaller Japanes puppets, and on getting their rich cores back.
* keep Japan occupied, until you have time to deal with them in detail - meanwhile, let them rot and have them get eaten by the Chinese.
* once the Japanese have lost China and Korea, you can manually trigger a surrender event - then you annex all that is left of Japan and can do as you wish with them. Manchuria would lose its puppet status and China can choose how best to deal with them. The Soviets and the Mongolians get their land back. You can then release Japan as a new puppet, but without their military.
I think the idea of a "republic of Japan" isn't that good. Firstly it would require a lot of modding, secondly it is extremely unrealistic. More likely, the US administer Japan militarily until the Japanese government kicks the bucket. It would also be unrealistic to assume that the US can simply walk away from a defeated Japan and leave the country to itself - no, even a defeated Japan still requires the US to keep forces in there. I guess you could lower the partisan level in the Japanese islands, though, to simulate that the demoralized Japanese get along alright with the occupiers. They did historically, and in here the emperor and the army are so badly disgraced that the home islands will refuse their calls for resistance to the occupiers.
rich-love said:
The big question would be what is Hirohito's status? If he were catpured I suspect his gernerals would fight to the end. If he is free (and Alive) and you can convince him the war is hopeless then I suspect he would surender and order his gernerals to do the same. As sort of happened historicaly.
Given the size of the foe you are faccing I don't think inheritiing the IJA is unrealistic. On a certain level you'd be foolish to disband such a fighting force in the midst of an on going gloable struggle. The IJA should be reduce but not elimitated.
You should go after Germany, land in the BeNeLux. Liberate all land to Luxembourg then divide your army in 2, one part that goes West or East one into France and one into Germany securing the Ruhr then towards Berlin.
one into France and one into Germany securing the Ruhr then towards Berlin.
soonerborn0524: The Japanese, you mean? I doubt it.
TC Pilot: Thank you - it's been a lot of fun to write as well. China's position is pretty visibile from the map I posted; they're cut off from the ocean (so no trading), surrounded on all sides by Japan, Tibet, and Burma (all Axis powers now). If they haven't cracked yet, I doubt they will now that Japan's been gutted.
Maximilliano: That'd be an interesting idea... but does anyone know if Japan had a reasonably democratic government before the 2-2-6 coup? The US occupied the country for 5 years, and Japan was functionally a one-party country until maybe 5 years ago - I doubt a 'Republic of Japan' has much historical basis.
chefportnen: No landings in China, and probably not one in Korea. I need the troops in Europe, the transports to get them there, and convoys to support the European effort.
Tribolute: They were conquered by Germany and released as National Socialist puppets.
Derek Pullem: See my comments about Korea above. Europe really needs to be my focus now; where to strike has been occupying my thoughts in boring meetings and in the shower for the last few days.
Myth, Karl Martell: I don't think I'm going into Korea or China. From my perspective, once I invade the Europe / Asia / Africa landmass, I can't stop - the Axis stretches on and on and on and on, and they'll throw troops at me for ever. The Germans alone have 8x the army I do. I have to focus on Berlin and its nuclear reactor.
Adamc1776: I'm going to say that Hirohito escaped to Korea.
MaximusII: Europe is next, method TBD.
Quick updates to follow; I played about an hour this morning but spent most of the time staring at the map.
TC Pilot: Thank you - it's been a lot of fun to write as well. China's position is pretty visibile from the map I posted; they're cut off from the ocean (so no trading), surrounded on all sides by Japan, Tibet, and Burma (all Axis powers now). If they haven't cracked yet, I doubt they will now that Japan's been gutted.
Maximilliano: That'd be an interesting idea... but does anyone know if Japan had a reasonably democratic government before the 2-2-6 coup? The US occupied the country for 5 years, and Japan was functionally a one-party country until maybe 5 years ago - I doubt a 'Republic of Japan' has much historical basis.
chefportnen: No landings in China, and probably not one in Korea. I need the troops in Europe, the transports to get them there, and convoys to support the European effort.
Tribolute: They were conquered by Germany and released as National Socialist puppets.
Derek Pullem: See my comments about Korea above. Europe really needs to be my focus now; where to strike has been occupying my thoughts in boring meetings and in the shower for the last few days.
Myth, Karl Martell: I don't think I'm going into Korea or China. From my perspective, once I invade the Europe / Asia / Africa landmass, I can't stop - the Axis stretches on and on and on and on, and they'll throw troops at me for ever. The Germans alone have 8x the army I do. I have to focus on Berlin and its nuclear reactor.
Adamc1776: I'm going to say that Hirohito escaped to Korea.
MaximusII: Europe is next, method TBD.
Quick updates to follow; I played about an hour this morning but spent most of the time staring at the map.
Aboard the USS Essex, 40km southeast of Iwo Jima
11 October 1946
0100Z
"Admiral, General Strong reports his occupation of Hokkaidō is proceeding according to schedule."
"Good." Spruance reached into his breast pocket, and reviewed his orders from Admiral King.
Terse as always, thought Spruance. "When do the Marines hit the beaches?"
"Any second now, sir."
11 October 1946
0100Z
"Admiral, General Strong reports his occupation of Hokkaidō is proceeding according to schedule."
"Good." Spruance reached into his breast pocket, and reviewed his orders from Admiral King.
Terse as always, thought Spruance. "When do the Marines hit the beaches?"
"Any second now, sir."
Rich-Love: That'd be an interesting idea... but does anyone know if Japan had a reasonably democratic government before the 2-2-6 coup? The US occupied the country for 5 years, and Japan was functionally a one-party country until maybe 5 years ago - I doubt a 'Republic of Japan' has much historical basis.
Sort of The moddled themselves on Pree WW1 Germany for whatever thats worth. According to Niall Ferguson (The War of the World) the Civilian government of Japan felt confident enought of its power in the late 20's that they seriously cosidered elimiating the military heads from the Cabinet. More an Oligarchy than and Democray but I've heard that said of a lot of Republics in history (including the USA)
Sort of The moddled themselves on Pree WW1 Germany for whatever thats worth. According to Niall Ferguson (The War of the World) the Civilian government of Japan felt confident enought of its power in the late 20's that they seriously cosidered elimiating the military heads from the Cabinet. More an Oligarchy than and Democray but I've heard that said of a lot of Republics in history (including the USA)
Some important mopping up.
I think the question of Japan all depends on what Hirohito wants to do.
I think the question of Japan all depends on what Hirohito wants to do.
rich-love said:
No historical basis at all i think... like Adamc1776 said, Japan was more an oligarchy than democracy really. But i meant "republic" in the same way that the US has propped up and backed so many other "republics". Such as South Korea or Argentina and Chile in the 70's... Or South Vietnam. Chaing Kai-shek's ROC also. While it isn't historical i think its pretty reasonable; considering the ahistorical nature of the AAR and US pragmatism (amoralism?), I don't think it would be too far fetched.
You should take Korea, and just leave it be after you take it and let the Chinese fight them out, after all, they'll have less IC or MP than the Chinese so it can only be a matter of time.
rich-love said:
Japan was Following Democratic System but the Emperor was overly powerful, after Emperor Meiji died, Emperor Taisho came to the throne he was Mentally Unstable and Hirohito acted as his regent most of the time.
Now during this time the Political party's started to gain more Dominance (the Emperor Couldn't do anything) and Japan embraced western Culture it was around the stock market crash that Politicians started getting shot for going against the Military. (Hirohito was the Emperor,Mentally Fit and supported Expansionism). When in Crises the Military Leadership became convinced that Expansionism was the only way to survive and that started off the China war.
The Point is there was a Democratic government but the Emperor was too powerful.
But You cannot Topple Hirohito the Japanese culture will not allow it, IF you Announce a Republic you would have enormous Resistance, thats why MacArthur kept him. so I say bring a Democratic Government in But keep Hironito Or you will get terrible losses just holding Japan.