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kuomintang said:does the game recreate the nanking massacre? I hope not...
Nope. It did in HOI, but for HOI2 Paradox decided against it, as atrocities are not modelled anywhere else.
Anyways, it seems as if all of China is unified against the perils of the Japanese Empire! But for how long?..
Actually there is an event for the massacre if Japan captures Nanking.
For Nat. China it moves the capital to Chongqing, improves relations with Guangxi Clique (15) and Shanxi (20), lowers dissent (-30), and reduced manpower in Nanking (-30).
For Japan it reduces relations with China (-50), US (-20), and Guangxi Clique (-30), increases Japan's belligerence (10).
For the US it improves relations with China (10), reduces relation with Japan (10) and moves the slider 1 toward interventionism.
Great AAR so far!
For Nat. China it moves the capital to Chongqing, improves relations with Guangxi Clique (15) and Shanxi (20), lowers dissent (-30), and reduced manpower in Nanking (-30).
For Japan it reduces relations with China (-50), US (-20), and Guangxi Clique (-30), increases Japan's belligerence (10).
For the US it improves relations with China (10), reduces relation with Japan (10) and moves the slider 1 toward interventionism.
Great AAR so far!
Yes, the Japanese managed to find a weak spot. I thought I had them all plugged, but I didn't. Quite canny really. The AI is much better at attacking weaknesses in 1.2, but it's still relatively poor against a skilled player.Stuyvesant said:Wow. That Japanese landing seems a pretty effective AI strategy. Glad to hear you'll have those Communist divisions to plug some holes with. An while you're at it, I'm sure Chiang can find a win-win situation by pitting the Communists against the Japanese in a few particularly bloody battles...
By the way, like those arrows.
The Communist troops are too good to waste. I need them to push back the Japanese. They have better doctrines and mountain troops.
Mind Elemental said:
Thanks Mind Elemental.
The troop icons are the latest Stony Road graphics pack release. You should be able to find a link in the scenario forum. They make the icons look great, but slow the loading of a scenario down considerably.
Yes- military control of our Communist allies. When playing on Hard, Military controlled allies are actually rather decent.flange3 said:
Karl Martell said:
Love to, but can't and won't. They've left their fortress because they are under my military control. And I'm ashamed to say, I need them. Haven't quite got the hang of 1.2 yet, the Japanese AI beat me up a bit.
As Sirosis says, It does, but only if you let the Japanese control Nanjing. I have no intention of allowing them to do that.kuomintang said:
Yes. Somehow I suspect the alliance will falter if the external threat is removed... what do you think?anonymous4401 said:
Sirosis said:
Thanks Sirosis!
Hope the next update is satisfactory
Madame Chiang Kai Shek
The Japanese advance was aided by airpower. Initially, the Imperial Japanese Air Force had almost a free reign, bombing wherever they chose. Still, a few squadrons of aircraft opposed them. In addition to the Chinese pilots and the Soviet supplied fighters of Operation Zet, a squadron of American volunteers would also take to the sky to harass the enemy. The “Flying Tigers” as the 1st American Volunteer Group would become known, would become renowned as the finest pilots defending China against Japan.
Their leader was one Claire Lee Chennault, a retired US Army-Air Force officer. He had retired from the US Army in 1936, with a reputation as a troublemaker, in part because he always spoke his mind and considered the “Brass” as fools for not taking the Japanese seriously enough. He was coaxed out of retirement by Madame Chiang, acting as air minister, who offered him a 3 month contract to train the Chinese Air Force. With the Japanese Invasion, the 3 month contract stretched out. Chennault would soon be leading the entire Chinese Air Force, such as it was, against the Japanese.
Claire Lee Chennault with the Chiangs
Chennault organised for ex-American airmen to enter Chinese service. Flyers had to be between 22 and 29, with at least a years flight experience. The Flying Tigers soon earned a name for themselves as fierce, disciplined and daring pilots. Although they developed innovative tactics, they also practiced some unconventional tactics. Shark's teeth were painted on the front of all Flying Tiger aeroplanes in order to scare the enemy.
Although the Japanese continued to hold a massive numerical advantage over the Chinese Airforce, they took heavy losses, and it must be said that Japanese airpower did not significantly affect the fighting ability of Chinese forces.
Although Claire Chennault certainly aided the Chinese Air Force significantly, it must be stressed that many Chinese were also involved. Apart from Madame Chiang, her deputy Air-Minister Huang Chen Zuo must be recognised for his enormous role in developing fighter tactics.
On land, the objectives were to contain the advance of the Kwantung army, halt the Japanese amphibious landing and throw the Japanese Marines back into the sea. It was a daunting task- the Japanese possessed superiority in artillery, airpower, armour and tactics. Still, they were heavily outnumbered, and Chiang was convinced that the correct application of strength would defeat the Japanese.
Communist troops, aided by the planes of the Flying Tigers and Operation Zet Bomber force managed to contain the Japanese landing after a series of bloody battles. Despite a Japanese attack North towards Yantai, Mao’s guerrilla’s and a few regular Guomindang divisions had managed to eject the Japanese from Hefei and Xuzhou. The immediate danger to Nanjing was over, but the Japanese continued to advance.
Communist forces halt the Japanese advance
Japanese commanders were somewhat confused by the unexpectedly fierce resistance they encountered. Expecting China to a mass of banditry and warlordism, they assumed they would be welcomed with open arms by a populace seeking to liberated from Guomindang rule. Instead, as they were met with guns, Japanese troops lashed out civilians, and the advance became bloodier. The axis of advance of the Japanese changed. Instead of attacking the capital, the Imperial Japanese Army high command sought to link up their forces. This would create a salient large enough that the United Front forces could not hope to halt the Japanese, who could overrun all of Northern China. They had to be stopped. On August 19th, Japanese forces launched coordinated attacks against Chinese positions in Yucheng. Chiang was form in his order. Yucheng must hold!
Can Yucheng hold out?
*Anyone know the Pinyin form of this name? EDIT: Thanks all.
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Not unless I see the Chinese characters, I'm afraid. I think Xie Cheng Nuo may know, as he was a HOI2 beta.
I think its Huang Chen-zuo (or zou, i always get it backwards).
A China going it alone is always difficult, good luck, push those xiao riben guaiz back into the sea
A China going it alone is always difficult, good luck, push those xiao riben guaiz back into the sea
Very good. The first step in throwing out the Japanese has been made. And then you leave us with a cliffhanger (of course). When will we learn the outcome of the Battle for Yucheng?
When will we learn the outcome of the Battle for Yucheng?
Hey, Gjerg!
You got Weekly AAR Showcase!
And unlike many whom I have given such news to, you actually have a full week to enjoy it!
Congrats!
You got Weekly AAR Showcase!
And unlike many whom I have given such news to, you actually have a full week to enjoy it!
Congrats!
Well, the Chinese seem to winning the battle for Yucheng as of that screenshot - but its so close that it could go either way.
biffthewhite said:I think its Huang Chen-zuo (or zou, i always get it backwards).
A China going it alone is always difficult, good luck, push those xiao riben guaiz back into the sea
Cheers Biff, we will, in time. Just not just yet.
Thanks ptan. The way Paradox has done Chinese leaders and ministers is very odd. All the Ministers are written in Wade-Giles, and all the Military Commanders are in Pinyin. Very confusing. Also, the picture they have of Mao is far outside the time frame. I really should make a mod to correct some of these things. But time is pressing.ptan54 said:
Stuyvesant said:
Later Today- I hadn't planned to update, but since this is the weekly showcase, we have no choice!
anonymous4401 said:
Arg! The resposibility! I don't know whether or not I can cope! I'll try and update more regularly!
Mike Von Bek said:
Well, if you look closely at the screenshot, you'll see that all of the Nationalist Infantry and Militia have 0 organisation, whilst the Communist Mountain Troops under Zhu De have plenty left. Damn Communists and their excellent land doctrines.
The guns of the Japanese battleships fired hundreds of salvos into Yucheng. Still the Chinese fought on. The Kwantung Army bought up their heavy artillery and blasted the Chinese trenches. The Chinese dug in deeper. Japanese aircraft strafed Chinese positions, but the Chinese disguised and camouflaged their positions. Finally, the Japanese did the only thing they had left- bring up their infantry and assault the Chinese positions. Communist and Nationalist troops were waiting.
Nationalist troops with a light machine gun await the assault at Yucheng
In the end the battle would be a ghastly battle of attrition. Japanese would assault Chinese troops with bayonets, which would be recaptured by another Chinese charge. Although Chinese troops possessed inferior equipment to the Japanese, particularly in regards to artillery, this could be minimised by defensive positions. The final result of the Battle of Yucheng was decided by weight of numbers, and in the end, with the arrival of Communist reinforcements, the Chinese troops. The high command of the Imperial Japanese Army was eventually forced to break off their assault at the end of August, with heavy losses. Chinese forces also suffered heavy losses. The sad truth was that they could make up their losses more easily. The two prongs of the Japanese invasion were prevented from linking up- now it was a question of driving the Japanese into the sea.
The failure of the offensive at Yucheng had left the Japanese disorganised. Given time, they could dig in and reinforce, holding the ground they had take indefinitely. Neither Chiang nor Mao was prepared to see that happen. Massive reinforcements were sent towards Qingdao. By early September, Nationalist troops had liberated Lianyungang and Xuzhou, while Communist troops had recaptured Kaifeng and Jinan from the Japanese. By September 4th, Nationalist and Communist forces had recaptured all the territory except Qingdao itself. On that day, 18 divisions of Communist and Nationalist forces assaulted the city, defended by 9 Japanese divisions with significant artillery.
Assault on Qingdao
The Kwantung Army launched massive offensives in the north to try and alleviate pressure on Qingdao. But it was all in vane. After 2 days heavy fighting, Qingdao fell. Most of the Japanese forces surrendered; a few chose to either fight to the death or commit suicide; A very few escaped by sea.
With the capture of Qingdao, Nanjing was no longer threatened, and the Japanese had been shown not to be invincible. The effect on morale of the Nationalist troops was enormous. The Japanese could be beaten. Now it was just a question of doing it.
Nationalist troops with a light machine gun await the assault at Yucheng
In the end the battle would be a ghastly battle of attrition. Japanese would assault Chinese troops with bayonets, which would be recaptured by another Chinese charge. Although Chinese troops possessed inferior equipment to the Japanese, particularly in regards to artillery, this could be minimised by defensive positions. The final result of the Battle of Yucheng was decided by weight of numbers, and in the end, with the arrival of Communist reinforcements, the Chinese troops. The high command of the Imperial Japanese Army was eventually forced to break off their assault at the end of August, with heavy losses. Chinese forces also suffered heavy losses. The sad truth was that they could make up their losses more easily. The two prongs of the Japanese invasion were prevented from linking up- now it was a question of driving the Japanese into the sea.
The failure of the offensive at Yucheng had left the Japanese disorganised. Given time, they could dig in and reinforce, holding the ground they had take indefinitely. Neither Chiang nor Mao was prepared to see that happen. Massive reinforcements were sent towards Qingdao. By early September, Nationalist troops had liberated Lianyungang and Xuzhou, while Communist troops had recaptured Kaifeng and Jinan from the Japanese. By September 4th, Nationalist and Communist forces had recaptured all the territory except Qingdao itself. On that day, 18 divisions of Communist and Nationalist forces assaulted the city, defended by 9 Japanese divisions with significant artillery.
Assault on Qingdao
The Kwantung Army launched massive offensives in the north to try and alleviate pressure on Qingdao. But it was all in vane. After 2 days heavy fighting, Qingdao fell. Most of the Japanese forces surrendered; a few chose to either fight to the death or commit suicide; A very few escaped by sea.
With the capture of Qingdao, Nanjing was no longer threatened, and the Japanese had been shown not to be invincible. The effect on morale of the Nationalist troops was enormous. The Japanese could be beaten. Now it was just a question of doing it.
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Cool!
The united front is united, for now at least. Are you milconning the Chinese minors?
The united front is united, for now at least. Are you milconning the Chinese minors?
where do you get all those nice pics? I need more pictures on the sino-japanese war I'm scanning a 1000-page photo book in the meantime
I'm scanning a 1000-page photo book in the meantime Why is it you never took out the Yunnan warlord? I usually cruch all the warlords and the commies, and leave the western warlords alone (xibeisan ma, sinkiang and tibet), then focus on japan. What was it that kept you from taking them over too, even a small force could do it?
Not according to the rulers of China they aren't. Just petty warlords attempting to break away.....
Tibet and Sinkaing aren't warlords they're "nations"!!! But then again I guess from a Chinese perspective everyone than isn't part of the great Chin Empire is a warlord. :rofl:. I'll just go and take out the "Warlord of Britain" then. :rofl: :rofl: