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If I join the Axis as Spain, and somehow I'll manage to conquer some land in the USSR, how could I keep this land once the bitter peace event fires? Or how could I avoid this event and annex USSR?
 

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Is it true in modern ARMA that you give up all the land you conquer when BP fires and it goes back to SU? I really really want to hold on to Baku, and other lands that would be part of the bitter peace area. It would be very frustrating if it went back to SU, not to GER, but... I want it :D

I have seen old (years old) threads talking about a bug with the event... was it ever fixed?
 

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I saw a thread complaining that a non-axis Japan in a war with SOV wouldn't get anything, but I also saw a thread claiming axis minors now get their gains. Of course I don't know if Axis minors means only balkan countries and the provines around them.

Also, I can't release puppets without some sort of huge dissent hit, can I?
 

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But then... Vichy France isn't created, is it?

There is a year before the begining of Bararossa and the fall of France. You can wait for Vichy & Co to happen, then ask for Paris in a deal with Germany ( 'acceptall' F12 cheat will do, consider it more a bug fix than a cheat), and voila.

I'd wait for the German AI to have started Barbarossa however, because if it doesn't have Paris it may consider that France is not beaten yet.
 

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If I manage to surround Baku and let USSR to keep this province, could this solve the problem?

No, because you want Baku for yourself. ;)

I say wait for Barbarossa to start, and then ask for Paris trough diplomatic proposition (and press F12, type 'acceptall', F12 again). Than should prevent BP from ever happening.
 

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If I manage to surround Baku and let USSR to keep this province, could this solve the problem?

As General Grant said. Waste of resources.

But, one of the other triggers is Stalingrad and that doesn't have either buckets of IC or resources, so you could encircle that city only, killing all troops in it, but not taking it.
That's at least what I used to do in my NatChina/Japan games.

Or you could go for Leningrad, but that's probably a bit more difficult, plus Leningrad has somewhat more strategic purpose, as a harbor and such.

Another option is to DoW on either Japan or Italy, but that's probably not what you want.

By doing either of these, BP won't fire and the one who controls Moscow will eventually get to annex the SU. Disadvantage is that the lands gained by Germany, Japan etc won't be partisanfree as they would with BP.
 

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Also, I can't release puppets without some sort of huge dissent hit, can I?
Nope.

I saw a thread complaining that a non-axis Japan in a war with SOV wouldn't get anything, but I also saw a thread claiming axis minors now get their gains.
This means Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, etc. witizer is playing Spain. Spain will loose all provinces.

But, one of the other triggers is Stalingrad and that doesn't have either buckets of IC or resources, so you could encircle that city only, killing all troops in it, but not taking it.
Until some random allied division moves into Stalingrad through one of the provinces around the city.... This can only be done when you are not allied to someone. Or when you are allied, but have military control.
 

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Nope.
This means Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, etc. witizer is playing Spain. Spain will loose all provinces.

Is Italy (the country I'm playing) part of "etc."? Attacking through turkey?

Edit: BTW, why is it country specific? Wouldn't it be easy enough to say "allies get the territories they've conquered?"
 
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Edit: BTW, why is it country specific? Wouldn't it be easy enough to say "allies get the territories they've conquered?"

The BP event(s) include secedeprovince commands for the nation that gets to keep a certain province. So if you're for example Ita and hold Baku, the event will give Baku to you, because there is a proper command included.

These commands have to be there separately for all possible Sov provinces that are affected by BP, and separately again for all possible axis countries participating in Barbarossa. If you load the BP event into an editor you'll see it's huge because so many single commands are needed for this.

This was however introduced in a later version, IIRC originally the event just checked for Germany, so other axis minors didn't get the areas they conquered. Has been improved a lot in recent patches, though it's a complex issue, so I dunno if it is now "perfect" for all axis countries.
 
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If you feel so strongly about it then simply use f12 acceptall and have germany give them back to you after BD fired.